It is MDM. SalvicGrace is banned from the forum for promoting a Church condemned shyster. Why do they all end up on this thread?
I wish I saw this first post of SlavicGrace. I happened upon this site a few days ago. This is exactly what I was trying to warn you all about, there is more than one website out there propagating the wrong message about our Pope. I am praying for him everyday. He is not error free but honestly!
There are some who would disagree with it being magisterial: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2016/04/card-burkes-reaction-to-amorislaetitia/#comment-528967 I am genuinely curious - not being a theologian - what are the reasons why it is magesterial for you but not Cardinal Burke?
Most marriages today are invalid, Pope Francis suggests Rome, Italy, Jun 16, 2016 / 02:56 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis said Thursday that the great majority of sacramental marriages today are not valid, because couples do not enter into them with a proper understanding of permanence and commitment. “We live in a culture of the provisional,” the Pope said in impromptu remarks June 16. The Pope answered from his own experience. “I heard a bishop say some months ago that he met a boy that had finished his university studies, and said ‘I want to become a priest, but only for 10 years.’ It’s the culture of the provisional. And this happens everywhere, also in priestly life, in religious life,” he said. “It’s provisional, and because of this the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null. Because they say “yes, for the rest of my life!” but they don’t know what they are saying. Because they have a different culture. They say it, they have good will, but they don’t know.” http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/most-marriages-today-are-invalid-pope-francis-suggests-51752/
Folks need to read the discussion of this article in this thread: http://motheofgod.com/threads/most-marriages-today-are-invalid-pope-francis-suggests.9321/
Imagine you were a Salesman (Parish Priest) trying to sell TV'S (the Sacrament of Marriage) to a lot of customers (couples) in your shop (Church) . The customers are about to bite when a message comes from the Chariman of the Board (the Pope) that the large majority of the TV's (Sacraments of Marriage ) do not work (are invalid) . Further to this the Chariman of the Board announces that free pubic service TV's (cohabitation outside marriage) often work just as well as the TV's (Sacramental Marriage) you are trying to sell. Now if you were a couple thinking of buying such a TV (sacrament) how likely would you be to to buy into such a deal? Further to this if your TV gave you the slightest trouble how likely would you be to hand it straight back to the showroom? (Seek an Annulment) The Pope by announcing that the large majority of marriages are duds before they even leave the Church and that many couples who cohabit are just as well off has ensured that he has sabotaged the Sacrament in a way that the devil could only dream off. Who is going to buy into something that the Pope himself has openly said is a disaster area? No more TV's being sold from this store. Apart for cosmetic reasons( that it looks and feels nice). What a disaster for family life. What an out for those who want to abandon their marriage.
Will do Brian. But I will have to play catch up tomorrow. All I can say for now ,reading the headlines, is that the first thought that comes to mind is that one of Sr Lucia, about marriage and the family.
Further to this the Chariman of the Board announces that free pubic service TV's (cohabitation outside marriage) often work just as well as the TV's (Sacramental Marriage) you are trying to sell. First of all that's not what the Pope implied at all. But if such a head of a company tried to inform me of the truth and take me out of delusion about what is only a facade and not real I'd go back to his company because he was honest about the quality of the product. And how many of the "ordinations" that came out of the "pink palaces" were also in Truth....and yet such persons are leading and the poor unaware faithful swallow everything that is wrapped so sweetly....and would rebel if they were told the truth about what they were so comfortable with in their pews! Everything needs to be purified in the Church first.....including the faithful in what they comfortably consider to be fine and dandy if they just go with the outward gestures and appearances. That's why I love the mystics who had those special gifts given to them....even about those who so outwardly look pious but who don't begin to intimately know our Lord or wish to!
Yes, I love the man, but Cardinal Burke's strange and unique (for I know of no one else who makes it) assertion that AL is not Magisterial is nonsense. Apostolic Exhortations are by their very nature documents of the formal Magisterium. If they aren't, then Familiaris Consortio also isn't Magisterium. But nobody asserts that. Pope Francis himself has already specifically stated that his apostolic exhortations are Magisterium.
I love him too , but Cardinal Burke is definitely not the only one saying such. See Edward Peters: http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/4719/the_slow_decline_of_the_ordinary_magisterium.aspx There are others as well. Just trying to understand what your stance is. Are you saying that everything in the document is off limits for debate because it is magesterial? It seems to me that it is not a given in this instance.
It seems to me that in this article, Dr. Peters is saying the opposite of what Cardinal Burke said. Not all Magisterium is infallible. But all Magisterium should nevertheless be respected by all Catholics.
I read it completely differently, (unless perhaps you haven't had the chance to completely read through it): "But, that said, most of “what’s in” Amoris, or at least most of the controversial passages of Amoris, are not ‘magisterial’ because most of those of Amoris, and most of ‘those passages’, seem to address (if sometimes ambiguously) pastoral practices (not propositional points), or they indicate how the pope perceives(accurately or otherwise) pastors coming across to people in irregular unions (and so at most are empirical surmises), or they urge a given demeanor with persons as Christ would relate to them, and so on. In other words, while Amorisis quite capable of contributing to the ordinary papal magisterium based on its authorship, audience, and circumstances, and while it does contribute to that magisterium in some respects, most of Amoris is, in fact, not ‘magisterial’ in content."
Right. A Magisterial document can indeed have content that is by its nature not something that would be formal Church Teaching, but an Apostolic Exhortation in and of itself is , as Dr. Peter's said, by its audience, authorship, and circumstances, overall, an act of the Magisterium. For example, the Catechism is Magisterium, even though it has particular statements in it that have nothing to do with faith and morals, e.g. "the number of homosexuals is not negligible," therefore such a statement would not itself be considered Magisterial. All I'm saying is we shouldn't merely discount AL as a whole as "non Magisterial"
Right. We shouldn't discount AL as a whole as "non Magisterial". Can we discount it as a Magisterial mistake?
