Well, it kind of clarifies....But if you read the original question from Padraig that you were responding to in that post, he was asking you about the Pope going to Russia just prior to the Warning. You then responded with the Mary Loli quote. Look above. I had made that observation shortly after posting the original exchange between you two above, and had amended my post to acknowledge exactly what just said in your reply immediately above (that Mary Loli was talking about the Pope needing to leave Rome, not specifically about him going to Russia). However, my memory served me in recalling this exchange, because Padraig was in search of the exact same information (about the Pope going to Russia), and that was the nature of his question to which you had responded with that indirect Mary Loli reference (maybe inadvertently), which you later amended when someone (or you) located the published account where Conchita spoke of the Pope going to Russia.
So YOU'RE the one!!! ;-) (who serves to confuse Tribulations with the Chastisement) Just kidding... But seriously, how can you take what the visionaries have said about the Chastisement (singular event, greater than the deluge), and equate that to a long extended multiple event scenario? Maybe I have mentally paraphrased this into a singular event myself, and am mistaken, but I have always understood the culminating future prophetic utterance of the Chastisement to be a singular thing to mitigate by conversion of the world....
I believe you could make the argument that the persecution began in the US about 2 years ago. It is not the persecution of the catholic church per say, but the persecution of "conservatives" by our US government as exposed by the IRS scandal. Not only conservative groups like the tea party, but conservative groups associated with the tea party, such as associations that educate people on the constitution and bill of rights were then audited. The IRS asked for lists of individual donors to the tea party, so those individual americans will likely be next. Other government agencies in addition to the IRS audited people's businesses who made large donations to conservative political candidates. That is just a little bit of what has been going on for the last 2 years. So, the persecution of conservative people with traditional values started about 2 years ago in the US. I remember listening to talk radio a few years ago, and a person called in and said he was in the parking lot of a tea party meeting, and there was a person there taking pictures of license plates for the people who were in the meeting. This person then got in a car with government license plates and left. I remember not believing the caller, thinking he was paranoid...but sadly I think right now that was probably an accurate story. but this situation may reflect more on Padraig's icons for the future of the US being true as opposed to catholic prophecy.
Jon, please see http://www.arcaneknowledge.org/catholic/lasalette.htm. These are from the Vatican archives recovered in 1999. Melanie’s Secret "A great king will go up on the throne, and will reign a few years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance, the world, glad not to be lacking nothing, will fall again in its disorders, will give up God, and will be prone to its criminal passions. [Among] God's ministers, and the Spouses of Jesus-Christ, there will be some who will go astray, and that will be the most terrible. Lastly, hell will reign on earth. It will be then that the Antichrist will be born of a Sister, but woe to her! Many will believe in him, because he will claim to have come from heaven, woe to those who will believe in him"! That time is not far away, twice 50 years will not go by.
While Melanie's secrets have been widely expanded and somewhat more confusing, Maximin's is much shorter, to the point and unchanging in its entirety. I think it is worth reading, as it seems to be what we have been witnessing to the past several dacades: On September 19, 1846, we saw a beautiful Lady. We never said that this lady was the Blessed Virgin but we always said that it was a beautiful Lady. I do not know if it is the Blessed Virgin or another person. As for me, I believe today that it is the Blessed Virgin. Here is what this Lady said to me: “If my people continue, what I will say to you will arrive earlier, if it changes a little, it will be a little later. France has corrupted the universe, one day it will be punished. The faith will die out in France: three quarters of France will not practice religion anymore, or almost no more, the other part will practice it without really practicing it. Then, after [that], nations will convert, the faith will be rekindled everywhere. (this seems to be where we are at now. the rest of his messages seems to me to be where we area headed). A great country in the north of Europe, now Protestant, will be converted; by the support of this country all the other nations of the world will be converted. Before all that arrives, great disorders will arrive, in the Church, and everywhere. Then, after [that], our Holy Father the Pope will be persecuted. His successor will be a pontiff that nobody expects. Then, after [that], a great peace will come, but it will not last a long time. (25 years according to Melanie's account) A monster will come to disturb it. (the Anti-christ) All that I tell you here will arrive in the other century, at the latest in the year two thousand.” Maximin Giraud (She told me to say it some time before.) My Most Holy Father, your holy blessing to one of your sheep. Grenoble, July 3, 1851.
PS, I think that Padraig's icon of division in the USA is closer than we realize. At first, I was pleased that revelation of these potential scandals might pave the way for justice! There's Benghazi, Eric Holder, the IRS, and now possibly the EPA. It seems even the MSM has come on board. But I smell a rat. What I perceive is a deliberate attempt to intensify the divide among Americans so as to bring governance to a grinding halt. Consider the situation in Colorado. In the 2012 election, Obama took Colorado with 51% of the vote. The state recently rammed through a highly unpopular gun control law. Anger is so high that it appears a successful recall has taken place against one legislative leader who helped secure passage of the law. In other words, Colorado is a microcosm of the whole divided country. All the hoopla in the media is only going to fracture the nation more and I believe that is the agenda of the powers-that-be. Another sign of the times! Pray and fast! Lord have mercy! Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
I spent several years trying to work out the date of the warning as to try and pinpoint a time for the miracle after many mathematical solutions and reading so so many story's and lives of saints of the Eucharist.. Four years ago I worked out the date of April 11th 2103 the feast of St Stanislaus I convinced myself that everything pointed to that date and I told a lot of my friends of my conclusion ..I guess God has taught me to leave well alone and wait..The good thing that came out of my investigations was that I learned a lot about saints..
I used to have great fun working out dates myself. I went through old liturgical calendars great tomes on the lives of saints, obscure prophesies and so on. But I have long since given up. I now think that if Our Lady want me to know precise times and dates, well she will let me know them. It must , I suspect be a huge burden on Marian visionaries to know these secrets , so nowadays I am glad I do not know. One good thing we find coming from Marian Apparitions is that when the time and the times do come we will indeed get at least a few days warning, more than enough time to go to confession and get ourselves straightened . Even os I try to get to confession every week, partly I admit in preparation for this, but mostly because I have a strong inner yearning to do so. One thing I have noticed that is funny in utube, I occasionally see some poor person making the most learned, wise and insightful presentation that such and such a thing will happen on such and such a day. I find they are so persuasive I find ,myself nodding in agreement, than at the end of the video I find that they have predicted something that had not happened many years ago.... But if I had a magic book and if it contained precise dates and times would I look inside it to see? Well of course I would because I am insanely nosey about such stuff! But would it be good for me to see and Know? Well that's another question.....
I agree Padraig, I think defining specific dates is a waste of time, because our Lord and Our Lady did not provide dates. They have however, given us certain indicators or benchmarks for our times, such as apostasy, civil war, severe weather conditions/changes, moral & economic colapse, schism in the Church, return of communism, etc.. as means to know the times we are in are prophetic. Heaven has given us enough prophecy to know we are in tribulant times. If what we already know does not prepare our souls and put our house in order, then what will? I still wonder what the secrets of Medjugorje will reveal that is not already known?
Yes , Fatima I keep thinking, 'These things are right on top of us' , though I have been thinking this way since I was a child and read about places like Fatima and Garabandal. ..and I am still waiting But the words of Scripture are so true, 2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. But in either case we should always be ready with a lit lamp to meet the Lord. We are all going to die one way or another, so even if all Catholic Prophesy were to fail doing as Mary seems to tell us, to pray and convert is always the wisest course anyway.
Everyone, since the apparitions of Fatima and Garabandal, has desired to know more about "when". That is why there are so many accounts of subsequent interviews of Conchita, etc., asking her and the others to reveal more specifics about the timing or conditions required to bring about the Warning and the Miracle. That is why several people here even bothered to ask Glenn about the Pope's supposed visit to Russia, and its connection to the future events. We can deny that we are curious.......but we are. I think everyone paying attention to world events and the actions of the Pope either consciously or subconsciously checks all these events against what they know about the conditions necessary to bring about the Warning & Miracle. A mental checklist manifests in our minds and we balance and discern.......every time a significant event occurs. (Just think back to the announced papal resignation, and what was said here about Glenn's call for more urgent propogation of the Garabandal messages as a direct result). I don't care about specific date calculations, but I like to try to understand the nature of the prophecies, why the specifics were given at all, and then try to discern roughly where we might be in the supernatural timeline. Padraig even had vivid dreams of the days after the Warning, and posted his thoughts about what his dreams indicated to him. Of course conversion, penance, sacrifices, the rosary, and the sacraments are the message......but something tells us all that the time of Mercy is finite, and is most likely within this generation, and the prophecied events are certainly imminent.......and to some degree or the other, we all try to discern how imminent they are......(next week, next month, next year, next decade.......?)
Jon , you make valid points, but as you so wisely point out, the most important aspect is " the messages", not the fulfillment date of future events. I can't help but think also that Russia just had its first Corpus Christi procession in 95 years ! http://www.romereports.com/palio/ru...fter-95-years-english-10214.html#.Ua9-uzbD-Ul This may be a prelude to the popes visit , and the other prophesied events.
Jon I could not agree with you more well wrote,, My post was was me showing my own personal frustration in not being able to work out a date which in a way made me a bit delusional.I have contented myself in my faith now and I know that God was never going to show or bless me with how to work out any date he is leaving that for someone else to do,I certainly admire anyone who has been giving that grace from the Spirit and I listen cautiously from my safe place..
Hi everyone, I was thinking that the Consecration would come first and then the warning from reading this message. Let me know how you see it when you read it. 3. Consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart Nov 21st, 2012 Mary said: I say “Turn back” but my voice is drowned out by a thousand other voices that cry out “Go ahead”, even though mankind is totally unaware of what lies ahead. First, I will tell you what lies ahead. Mankind continues to build weapons of destruction. These weapons proliferate. Attempts to limit them are inevitably compromised. No one is in charge. Everyone lives for their own self-interest. So, the causes of multiplication are everywhere. No one can lead mankind down a path of peace, where these weapons are destroyed forever. That is precisely the gift that the heavenly Father has placed in the heart of my mother, but this gift of Fatima is not opened, even by my church. So, I call upon my Church to open the Fatima gift as quickly as possible. Consecrate Russia to my mother’s Immaculate Heart. When this is done, the power and light of Fatima will be released upon a world steeped in darkness and on the verge of nuclear disaster. When this consecration is fulfilled, I will raise my voice in powerful ways to call the whole world to unimaginable conversion. Peace will come, just as my mother has promised. Mary All is not hopeless. The heavenly Father has provided the needed help for these ages of darkness. Even the greatest darkness, the darkness of midnight itself can be turned into the light of the noonday sun. Does this not happen every day of the year? Is there not a midnight followed twelve hours later by the noontime? This can also happen in the day of history. I am the Woman Clothed With the Sun. If mankind would just invoke me, I would change the night into day.
Marisa, what we know is what our Lady has revealed in the Fatima and Garabandal messages. Seems like they could take place very close together. Garabandal: MARI LOLI: Our Lady spoke several times about communism. "I don't remember how many times, but she said that a time would come when it would seem that communism had mastered or engulfed the whole world. I think it was then that she told us that priests would have difficulty saying Mass, and talking about God and divine things." "These difficult events will take place before the Warning because the Warning itself will occur when the situation will be at its worst." Conchita told the author in 1965 when everything would be set in motion: “When communism comes again everything will happen”. The author responded: “What do you mean by ‘comes again’?” “Yes, when it newly comes again,” she replied. “Does that mean that communism will go away before that?” “I don’t know,” she said in reply, “The Blessed Virgin simply said ‘when communism comes again’.” Fatima: Message to Verne 9/25/07 "My son, while my people argue over the validity of the consecration of Russia, many souls are going to hell. Do not allow yourself to be caught in Satan’s trap. The consecration has not taken place. It will take place. The message of Fatima was primarily concerned with repentance and the salvation of souls. The consecration of Russia is a message addressed to the Pope and bishops of the world. Pray my Holy Spirit will give the Holy Father the strength and wisdom to overcome the forces fighting against him. My son, I am gong to tell you why the consecration of Russia has not yet taken place. My church was not purified of the evil forces hiding among the clergy. Remember the Pope and bishops of the world are required to make the consecration. In the past, there were to many Bishops who were rebellious against the Holy Father for the consecration to have taken place. My Holy Spirit has led the holy Father to purify my house. Once my church is purified and my house is in order, you will see the consecration of Russia done. As you have read, my son told Sister Lucy it would be done late. Now Read Isaias 55:8 , 11. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth. It shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. Do not presume in your pride to know the mind of God. Do not cause division among my people by arguing over the consecration of Russia. It is a deceptive trick of Satan to prevent my people from focusing on your mission: the salvation of souls. Again, I will repeat myself for you".
My son, I am gong to tell you why the consecration of Russia has not yet taken place. My church was not purified of the evil forces hiding among the clergy. Remember the Pope and bishops of the world are required to make the consecration. In the past, there were to many Bishops who were rebellious against the Holy Father for the consecration to have taken place. My Holy Spirit has led the holy Father to purify my house. Once my church is purified and my house is in order, you will see the consecration of Russia done. As you have read, my son told Sister Lucy it would be done late. Now Read Isaias 55:8 , 11. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth. It shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. Do not presume in your pride to know the mind of God. Do not cause division among my people by arguing over the consecration of Russia. It is a deceptive trick of Satan to prevent my people from focusing on your mission: the salvation of souls. Again, I will repeat myself for you". [/quote] Thankyou Fatima and thankyou Verne for putting this issue for me to bed, once and for all.
Hi Marissa and welcome. I see you are posting some LTTW messages and are from Pennsylvania. Do you have further knowledge about these messages? We have discussed them in great detail on this board and sometime struggle with the political play-by-play talk from heaven.
Our group follows them closely and most of them have come true. We believe Monsignor Esseff to be credible. We are delighted that Our Lady discusses the political part of it because it is what has ruined this country, the masons who have infiltrated everywhere. The Holy Spirit in no way at all will mislead those who are consecrated. Unless you are consecrated you are unable to follow in the right direction.
Marisa, What is your opinion (based on locutions.org) on which country/countries are behind the "unrest" in the middle-east ?
