Hi Byron. In my opinion, the Ralls article is a mishmash. The political, economic, social hermeneutic of the Apocalypse is flawed. The Apocalypse is primarily about the Catholic Church and its apparent destruction from within by its enemies who have infiltrated it at the highest levels. But what will be destroyed will be the Harlot Church (the Counterfeit Catholic Church), not the Immaculate Bride of Christ. In the end, good wins over evil. The faithful are rewarded, the unfaithful are punished. Jesus returns to save us because we cannot save ourselves. The Dragon is not China, the Dragon is Satan (the Apocalypse clearly says this). Yes, communism is important, but not because of some geo-political battle between "nations" involving missiles and tanks. The key point is that "communism," the ideology, is in the minds of the Bishops of the Catholic church. As is its twin Freemasonry. Both of these ideologies come from the same root: Satan. They promote materialistic, humanistic ideals which contradict the eternal, Heavenly, spiritual focus of Jesus Christ. Those infiltrators will change the teaching of the Church based on the false ideals of "communism" and "freemasonry." It will be much worse than some geo-political battle over territory because it will cause many souls to be lost eternally to Satan. What you say about Fr. Gobbi sounds correct. I have no reason to doubt Fr. Gobbi's claims that his messages come from Our Lady.
I believe that with the synodal project of the Church, Satan will try to take revenge for what happened at the Tower of Babel when God confused the languages and destroyed the satanic global unity; at this point would also be the persecution of the Tridentine rite, which has a spirituality diametrically opposed to the Tower of Babel
I just bought the book (kindle version). I skimmed the whole thing. Pros: He clearly shows that the Apocalypse and its imagery is spiritual, not geo-political. It is the final battle of the true religion vs. the false religion. He recognizes the unholy trinity (dragon, Antichrist, False Prophet) symbolism in chapter 13 and elsewhere. He links the allegorical symbols and allusions used in the Apocalypse to their OT and NT origins. He shows that the message of the Apocalypse is positive for the true faithful. Negative for those who follow the unholy trinity, who "will deceive even the elect." Cons: He misinterprets symbols literally when they should be taken figuratively. For example, "Jerusalem" is a figure referring to Rome (the Church), not to a city in Palestine. He doesn't seem to connect the dots between the "infiltration" in the Catholic Church (which he wrote about elsewhere) and the subject matter of the Apocalypse. I'm going to read the book more carefully. I think the pros outweigh the cons. Just don't take what Marshall says as infallible. Look at his evidence and logic. But keep an open mind and, most importantly, don't fall into the literal interpretation trap. All prophecies are riddles that use figurative language to conceal the true subject matter. Here is Jesus himself explaining that principle of interpretation in Matthew 13: 10 And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables? 11 Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given. 12 For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath. 13 Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive. 15 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear. 17For, amen, I say to you, many prophets and just men have desired to see the things that you see, and have not seen them: and to hear the things that you hear and have not heard them.
We are living the times in which Satan dominates (geopolitically), and in which he has built his triumph in the whole world. It’s not just about a mystical Antichrist. Satan has made sure that throughout the world Christ is denied as God, and Islamism was the first attack. Today multi religions in union with the Catholic Church is the plan. He’s made sure reason (Protestant Reformation) takes the place of God, which freemasonry has done by making sure women reason to have an abortion today. He’s made sure to reach the point of denying God. And that is all about communism (theoretical and practical atheism). The Antichrist as a person according to Fr Gobbi, will not come suddenly, but rather will be the fruit made ripe by all this historical context which has prepared it.
Hi Byron. Here is what the Apocalypse says about the "red dragon," chapter 12: 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: .... 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Here is what the Apocalypse says about the Beast from the Sea, chapter 13: 1 And he [the Dragon] stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy. 2 And the beast, which I saw, was like to a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his own strength, and great power. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were slain to death: and his death's wound was healed. And all the earth was in admiration after the beast. 4 And they adored the dragon, which gave power to the beast: and they adored the beast, saying: Who is like to the beast? and who shall be able to fight with him? 5 And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies: and power was given to him to do two and forty months. 6And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Here is the description the Beast (Counterfeit Church) from Apocalypse, chapter 17: 8 The beast, which thou sawest, was, and is not, and shall come up out of the bottomless pit, and go into destruction: and the inhabitants on the earth (whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world) shall wonder, seeing the beast that was, and is not. 9 And here is the understanding that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman sitteth, and they are seven kings: 10 Five are fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he is come, he must remain a short time. 11 And the beast which was, and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest, are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but shall receive power as kings one hour after the beast. 13 These have one design: and their strength and power they shall deliver to the beast. Here is the description Beast (Counterfeit Church) from Daniel, chapter 7: 2 I saw in my vision by night, and behold the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts, different one from another, came up out of the sea. 4 The first was like a lioness, and had the wings of an eagle: I beheld till her wings were plucked off, and she was lifted up from the earth, and stood upon her feet as a man, and the heart of a man was given to her. 5 And behold another beast like a bear stood up on one side: and there were three rows in the mouth thereof, and in the teeth thereof, and thus they said to it: Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo, another like a leopard, and it had upon it four wings as of a fowl, and the beast had four heads, and power was given to it. 7 After this I beheld in the vision of the night, and lo, a fourth beast, terrible and wonderful, and exceeding strong, it had great iron teeth, eating and breaking in pieces, and treading down the rest with its feet: and it was unlike to the other beasts which I had seen before it, and had ten horns. 8 I considered the horns, and behold another little horn sprung out of the midst of them: and three of the first horns were plucked up at the presence thereof: and behold eyes like the eyes of a man were in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things. All are descriptions of the final (fourth) Beast from the Sea (Counterfeit Catholic Church). The final (eighth) head of this Beast is the Antichrist (Antipope) AFTER he/it is possessed by Satan (the Dragon). There are not two dragons. The dragon is Satan. Satan becomes unified with the Beast from the Sea (the Holy See, which then morphs into the Unholy See) when the final leader of the Holy See is possessed by Satan. At that point, Satan, Antichrist, Counterfeit Church are all of "one mind" and act in unison. That is the "great red dragon." It is not referring to the nation of China. It is referring to the end times Antichristian Beast, the Counterfeit catholic Church under the rulership of a satanically-possessed Antipope (whom Daniel calls the "little horn"). Now, of course, the Counterfeit church will be run by an Antichrist who is essentially a "communist," meaning he is an atheistic materialist posing as a Catholic. He will implement teachings that promote human fraternity, wokism, liberty without responsibility. Jesus will be a "great man" whose words are twisted to make Him appear to be social justice warrior.
Satan has always dominated geo-politically. He is the "prince of this world." The Biblical prophecies are not concerned with that. That is a given reality. The Biblical prophecies are concerned with the end of the age, when the Church that Jesus set up as a beacon of hope in the world is finally taken over, from the inside, by its enemy, Satan. Jesus will return to save those who choose His way over the path of Satan. The deception is internal to the Church, not external. In the final battle, the true enemy, Satan, will be within, not outside, "the Church." Otherwise, why would "the elect" be deceived into following the leader of China? Think about it.
There’s a lot here that makes great sense. But I still believe the Red Dragon in Revelations is the power of communism that Satan the Dragon gives to China the last great communist country in the world. This is Satan’s last attack in this present era. China’s plan to rule the world under communism. It’s already spread throughout humanity. It’s Satan’s last confrontation before the end of the power of evil in this world, before the lord humiliates and defeats him. Remember what Garabandal said: “when communism comes back.” China, and the Vatican, with the elites have an understanding.
The elect will not be deceived by a communist Chinese AC. It’s not what I’m saying. The AC will be another Judas. Satan’s challenge according to Leo XIII is to destroy the Church.
I am in complete agreement with you that Satan will use communism/freemasonry/liberalism/modernism to destroy the Catholic Church. These ideologies have been battling the Church for centuries. But, as I said, any faithful Catholic will immediately be wary of a professed communist/freemason/liberal/modernist who says that a fundamental teaching or practice of the Catholic church should be changed. But many faithful Catholics will be deceived if a secret, sneaky communist/freemason/liberal/modernist becomes a bishop, cardinal or apparent Pope. Those faithful Catholics are programmed to automatically trust and practice obedience towards their shepherds. So the satanic/communist/freemasonic/liberal/modernist plan has been to infiltrate the Catholic hierarchy, starting at the seminary level. It is a very long term plan that Bella Dodd lays out. A certain "bishop in white" was very best friends with a female communist during the 1950s in Argentina (https://spectator.org/where-bergoglio-buried-his-communist-mentor/) before he suddenly decided to enter the seminary. So I'm not disagreeing with you or Our Lady that "communism" is central to the final battle or that communists in China are the enemy of the Catholic faith. I'm saying that China is not what the Biblical prophecies are about. Those prophecies in the Apocalypse are talking about the infiltration of the Catholic Church that has already happened. We are very near the consummation of the communistic/freemasonic/modernist/liberal plan to destroy the Catholic Church. A "bishop in white" will be the person who becomes possessed by Satan and will officially invert the teachings of Jesus while claiming that it is still the Church of Jesus Christ. And that "bishop in white," the Antichrist, the False Prophet, the little horn, will not be Chinese or related to China in anyway except that he has probably taken lots of money from China and he sold out the true Catholics in China with a deal he made a few years ago. The "religious deception" warned about by CCC 675 is already here. It will get worse because very few people want to acknowledge the elephant in the room. And when those few speak up, they are hammered down by an ocean of deceived Catholics who want to hear nothing of it (I am not referring to you, Byron). But, alas, this has all been prophesied. Those who try desperately to warn their brothers and sisters not to follow the pied piper over the cliff will be "stoned to death" by those same brothers and sisters. An act of love will be responded to with hatred. The persecution that matters will be between the true faithful remnant and the false brethren who worship the Beast. The false brethren will be the persecutors. The geo-political stuff is a sideshow run by the communists/freemasons/liberals/modernists to distract and confuse Catholics and prepare the ground for the Antichrist. The geo-political narrative of war will provide the justification for this man who wants a new Church that promotes peace and human fraternity and religious tolerance.
But PNF China is already in the Church. To say the geopolitical stuff is just a sideshow is not seeing reality. We live in a geopolitical world. The AC will have his hand in politics and the economy, not just religion. Will the AC dictate the world to destroy God through the Vatican as a Pope? We shall see.
I don't understand your fixation on China, the nation-state. Please tell me where in the Bible (except for Apocalypse 12) that you think China as a nation-state is referenced? And how do you think, China fits into the end times deception and events discussed in CCC 675, 676, 677? I do think the Antichrist will "have in hand in politics and the economy." That is the "secular messianism" discussed in CCC 675. But it is a "false narrative" as described in CCC 675 as "a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth." The religious deception will be that the satanic/communist/modernist/liberal Antipope must be followed because "he's the Pope." The "apparent solution" will be a new "Catholic" teaching of human fraternity, radical equality, religious indifferentism, tolerance of sin, which will be "apostasy from the truth." And not only will "Catholics" agree with this, but all world leaders and the media will jump on the bandwagon as well. In other words, the "Counterfeit Church" will merge itself and its teaching with spirit of "the World." But in this process of adulteration, China is no more important than Western "democracies" that promote transexual surgeries and vaccines. The false Church and its leader will be the agent making the decisions. He will incorporate and tolerate all sins, just as the Roman Emperors incorporated and tolerated all foreign gods.
Where in the Bible or in the Catechism does it say a Pope will be the Antichrist? We are interpreting here in this forum PNF. That’s all. So, when I say the Red Dragon is communist China, it’s my opinion. But it makes sense. You seem to think ecclesiastical masonry only involves the inside of the Vatican. But the Church is not only in Rome. “For years, China's population size, economic growth, and thirst for military power have taken center stage by those who study biblical prophecy. Most end-time experts have seen the "Red Dragon" as an aggressor to Israel. In Revelation 16 and 19, John's mention of the armies involved in the battle could well depict China's army today.” China is so so contentious that she is even changing the words of the Bible. But most importantly PNF, you forget the underground Church in China. It is rising to over 200 million Catholics for Christ. That’s a substantial reality. This is also part of prophecy. How can anyone ignore that? So, China, China, China is very important in the end times. It’s a force Satan has given power to in order to entice all nations to get rich from. Who wants to go against China today? Certainly not the EU, or the U.S. All 3 beasts are intertwined. Freemasonry, Communism, and ecclesiastical masonry (the lamb with 2 horns). They all work for Satan. Freemasonry blasphemes God, and Communism prohibits his existence. “The Antichrist will come from both of these entities and infiltrate inside the Catholic Church by way of ecclesiastical masonry. He will attempt to divide the Church from its truth, it’s life, and it’s way. He will seek to destroy the foundation of the unity of the Church, through a subtle and insidious attack on the Papacy. The Church will become more torn and more divided.” Fr Gobbi.
Hi Byron. To be clear, I have never said that a true Pope will be the Antichrist. I absolutely reject that. A true Pope will have the protection of the Holy Spirit, so he cannot be the Antichrist. What I have said is that the Antichrist will be an Antipope, a person whose ascension to the throne was not in accord with Canon Law. There have been dozens of Antipopes over the history of the Church. Now, to zero in on your question, regarding where in the Bible "does it say an (Anti)pope will be the Antichrist? This is in 2 Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. The "man of sin" is universally acknowledged by the Fathers of the Church to refer to the Antichrist. The only unknown in the quoted verses is the meaning of "the temple of God." The Fathers of the Church give two and only two options: 1) the Catholic Church, Rome; or 2) a temple in Jerusalem. The answer to this question is resolved by Our Lady of LaSalette when she said: "Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist." So there should be no question now, in light of what Our Lady has stated. Regarding China, please understand, I'm not saying that China is not important from a worldly, geo-political perspective. What I am saying is that the geo-political perspective is not the focus of the prophecies. The Church and the apostasy from the true Faith is the only thing that truly matters to God. Nations can be destroyed. Most people can physically die. None of that would be as important as losing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the authentic Magisterium and the Sacraments. And Jesus himself said "Be not troubled" about "wars and rumors of wars." So, the geo-political situation is secondary and a potential distraction. Yes, geo-political wars will be part of the end times deception of the Antichrist because he will use the geo-political crisis as a pretext for changing the Catholic Faith. But the geo-political crisis will be a staged game. The players will not destroy the whole world with a widespread nuclear war. And the true enemy is the Antichrist, the man in the temple of God, not the man in Moscow or in Beijing. And that is exactly what Fr. Gobbi says in the last quote you provided.
PNF - apostasy from the Church happens all over the world, especially through communism. It matters to God. The Church is the mystical body of Christ worldwide. Fr Gobbi also made that very clear. The world for a very long time has turned its back on sin. How many Catholics go to confession? How many believe in the Eucharist? We have been living in a pagan world even before Pope Francis became Pope. Humanity through the error of theoretical atheism spread by communism - but also through practical atheism - has moved away from God. It has once again become pagan, materialistic…so if an anti pope arrives and builds his own cohort and proclaims that Jesus is not present in the Eucharist, at the end of the day will it matter that much? The world is already in such a bad place. It’s at its lowest with or without an antipope. Fr Gobbi’s message is to Trust and Hope in Mary. She will take us to Jesus even if a Judas sits in the seat of Peter. Because her cohort gathered together from every part of the earth will make sure that in the end the Lord conquers.
Well, you are presupposing an awful lot. Pope Francis is the Pope. He has not been declared an antipope nor has his election been ruled non-canonical. So this is all “suppose.” In fact, Pope Emeritus has told us that he himself is not the Pope. You are also supposing that Pope Francis is going to become possessed by the devil. Correct?
PNF, if Pope Francis is an antipope, then Pope Benedict would be guilty of not telling the truth. So, Pope Francis was legally elected by a liberal hierarchy. It is what it is. And if God wants to humiliate and defeat the AC that may be sitting in the seat of Peter, He can do it. We have had plenty of bad Pope’s in the past. We shouldn’t put the AC above God, even if he ends up being a Pope. He doesn’t terrify God. We shouldn’t be afraid of him either. He’s not that important. Fr Gobbi addressed this all the time. Gobbi’s focus was Mary and her cohorts the priests. The battle against the AC will be won by them and by those of us who stay close to her Immaculate Heart. The nun who told me how she felt about Pope Francis hasn't stopped her holy work. She’s moved forward. And that’s what we all will do. Even after the Warning.
