PF confirms ALL bishops will do the Consecration of Russia

To quickly find it, go to Chapter 12: A Parable








just continue reading the rest of the pages...



This made me want to reread the same passage again after several years...

 

Whatever, you might also want to read the other book of St. Louis de Montfort, "The Secret of Mary."

There really is a Secret of Mary somewhere in this book and those of us who are already consecrated are not permitted to speak of it. READ THE BOOK -- FIND THE SECRET OF MARY!

 

Yes, it's confusing if we think of these women as figure types of the Virgin who was perfectly holy, but more understandable if we consider them as figure types of the Church. These women in the OT were not so much holy as they were "just" and back then it seems men were allowed to do some things - or maybe they were told to do it by God and that part is not revealed? Just look at Judith, another hero who prefigures Mary/Church: she made herself beautiful and went to see the enemy knowing her beauty would seduce them, she told them that she knew how to garantee them a victory over her own people, she ate and drank with them and even got into bed with the general in charge of the other side. But all of this was a ruse because she chopped off the head of the general when he was totally drunk! I like to think of Judith with respect to what we see today. And in her defense, I think that God was with her telling her what to do in this ruse, but was that the case for Rebeca?

Frances Hogan gives information about Esau that comes from another book too. She says that Esau was the warrior who killed Nimrod and because of this he was expecting to be killed in revenge. He accepted the food in this context, thinking he would die anyway. This changes things a bit don't you think? I don't know what the truth is but this type of thing sheds new light on events.

Thanks for the reminder about the book by de Montford, I will try to find that book and look it up!

 

and we also have Abraham as a Type of God the Father, and Isaac as a Type of Jesus Christ.

The scandal of Abraham is that he offered his wife Sarah to the Pharaoh of Egypt as a mistress...

 

But its very interesting. I've enjoyed it.

 

Something we humans never learn--to wait upon God. To run ahead of Him never works!

 

Amen to that!

 

Jason, thank you for the awesome posts from your knowledge of St Louis de Montfort.

 

Yes. Ditto!!!!!

 

How was Rebekah cursed? I've never heard this!

I know she said IF someone were to be cursed for it, she'd take it upon herself instead of letting it fall on Jacob... But was she actually cursed?

 

Good thing that I'm getting older and can't run ahead as much as I used to!

 

Great post Jason, though I disagree with the intent of Esau's heart relative to the reason he chose to give his blessing to Esau as presented in Chapter 12. The story implies it was personal preference that governed his choice; rather, Esau was the first one delivered from the womb of his mother and therefore had the rights of a firstborn relative to the inheritance. Isaac may have personally loved Esau more, but that would not have played into his decision as to whom he gave his blessing.

The story, like the story of Jacob's son, Joseph, does confirm the wonderful truth that St. Paul states:

Romans 8:28 We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.

 

If anyone cares to listen to Naomi Wolf, she is reading from the Geneva Bible lately, a Bible that apparently was "banned by the Church" at one time. True or not? I don't know much about these things so if this offends, I'll delete this. I found her reading interesting since she gives differences in translations which sheds light on people and situations in the OT. She compares the reading with the text of the RSV.

She reads Genesis, the story of Jacob and the deception against him concerning his mariage to Leah. So much deception in the OT concerning the patriarchs, what is this about?
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OwGWwWNMgjGQ

When she started this a while ago, she said that she was stunned by the Geneva version because it presented a God that was much closer to man, much more loving and less austere than what our present versions present. This struck me because a few of the most persecuted mystics today have texts that are full of love and present a God pining with love for us, wanting a union with us, but this is apparently disturbing for many, especially those making decisions on the authenticity of the texts.

I'll try not to post about this here anymore, it's gone off topic.

 

Thanks, Jason, for helping me get my head around this. I need to spend some time reading and re-reading DeMontfort's book, and I will buy "The Secret of Mary". To be honest, I don't find his writings easy to read. His language is a bit too sentimental for my taste. I know that says a lot about my shortcomings but I can't help it, That's probably the reason I prefer Fr. Kirby's Bible study to Frances Hogan's despite there being no real differences between their commentaries.

I'm inclined to agree with Andree that Rebekah was just rather than holy. Mary was holy, but Mary didn't have the residual effects of original sin. Rebekah didn't even have the advantage of Baptism. We know now that we must never do evil that good might come of it, and that lying is always an inexcusable sin. We know it because the Church teaches it, but did anyone teach it to Rebekah? Probably not, but Jacob seemed to have some sense that deceiving his father would not please God and that doing so could bring a curse upon him.

In dismissing Rebekah as a type for the Blessed Mother, I was inclined to ignore the obvious - that God was working to wean the chosen people away from paganism - a gradual process. In a way, my attitude towards Rebekah is an example of a kind of spiritual pride. I was judging Rebekah, expecting her to know instinctively what I can barely grasp despite having the benefit of the teaching authority of the Church with its thousands of years of doctrinal development, May Matriarch Rebekah intercede before the Lord for me and everyone on this forum.

 

Not cursed as we understand a curse. She did suffer by being separated from her beloved son for the rest of her life.

 

I did a little search for Naomi Wolf and the Geneva Bible. Seems that Calvin and Knox had a strong influence in that translation and it wasn't merely a translation but also included notes - a kind of commentary from them and others. The first translation did include the deuterocanonical books but with a note to the effect that they were not Scripture but could be helpful reading. The Church has an obligation to prevent the faithful being led astray by falsehoods and half truths.

Naomi Wolf seems like a good person but, based merely on the result of my brief search, I think I could find better sources for helping me appreciate Sacred Scripture.

Thank you for helping me get to grips with the issue of Rebekah being a type.

Although we appear to have taken the thread off topic, I'm not sure that there isn't some relevance. We need to bear in mind that God gave us a hierarchical Church and that when the Pope and Bishops in Union with him speak, we should seek to hear the voice of God in their instructions to us. If the Church tells us that the Consecration of Russia was done by Pope John Paul, on whose authority do we question that? That God appears not to have responded to the Consecration to our satisfaction doesn't necessarily mean that the Consecration was lacking. Maybe we should either trust that the Consecration was done and that God will respond in His time rather than ours, or, if God is dissatisfied with the Consecration, maybe we should trust that He will deal with the Shepherds He has given us lest we bring a curse upon ourselves.

 

I agree with your perspective.

 

If the consecration of Russia was done by Pope John Paul II then why did Pope Francis redo the consecration?

 

A 1946 interview with Sister Lucia about the consecration and requests of Our Lady


As published in the book Our Lady of Fatima by William Thomas Walsh (Image Books edition 1954. First printing May, 1947).


William Thomas Walsh
In the convent of the Dorothean Sisters at Vilar, William Thomas Walsh, a distinguished author, historian and teacher who had thoroughly investigated the miracle of Fatima, the apparitions and Our Lady’s prophecies, interviewed Sister Lucia, then known as Sister Maria das Dores. The interview took place on Monday, July 15, 1946, and is included as an epilogue to his 1947 book Our Lady of Fatima. Walsh wrote that Lucia was nervous at first because she didn’t like interviews, but as she began to relax and feel at ease, she was friendly and laughed readily: “It was impossible not to like her and to trust her.”

Below is the interview as it is published:

First I presented a few questions from America, some perhaps a little obvious and unnecessary. One, from a sculptor, was whether the rosary in the hand of Our Lady had had five or fifteen decades.

“I didn’t count them,” she said quickly, with a mischievous smile.

“When the Angel of Peace gave you Holy Communion at Cabeço, did it seem to you like a dream or a vision, or was it like the reality of receiving Holy Communion in a church?”

She hesitated for the right word. “I cannot be absolutely sure of that, because I was not in any ordinary state of mind during such an experience, and there was something so intimate, so interior, so intense about the apparition of the Angel and what he said and did. But I believe it was like the real experience of receiving in a church, for I felt the contact of the Host.”

“Did you see Our Lord in the year 1927?”

“Twice.” The answer was prompt and matter-of-fact. I was not permitted to question her as to what He said. Nor was I allowed to ask about the conversations she had with Our Lady since 1917. It is well known that there have been several such apparitions. According to Voz de Fatima, published at the shrine, the Blessed Mother said to her in her cell, on December 10, 1925: “Look, my daughter, at my Heart surrounded with the thorns with which ungrateful men wound it by their blasphemies and iniquities. You, at least, try to console me, and announce that I promise to assist at the hour of death, with all the graces necessary for salvation, all those who, on the first Saturdays of five consecutive months, confess, receive Holy Communion, recite part of my Rosary, and keep me company for a quarter of an hour meditating on the mysteries with the intensions of offering me reparation.” Sister Dores made this known, and it has given great impetus to the Immaculate Heart devotion.


Sister Lucia pictured with Bishop Jose Alves Correia da Silva

 

The interview continued:

“When you reported the words of the Angel and of Our Lady, did you give the exact words as they were spoken, or only the general sense?”

“The Angel’s words had an intense and overpowering quality, a supernatural reality that could not be forgotten. They seemed to engrave themselves exactly and indelibly upon the memory. It was different with the words of Our Lady. I could not be sure that every word was exact. It was rather the sense that came to me, and I put what I understood into words. It is not easy to explain this.”

“Our Lady showed you many souls going to hell. Did you get the impression from her that more souls are damned than saved?”

This amused her a little. “I saw those that were going down. I didn’t see those that were going up.”

“Does the statue in the shrine at Cova da Iria look like the Lady you saw there?”

“No, not much. I was disappointed when I saw it. For one thing, it was too gay, too alegre. When I saw Our Lady she was more triste, or rather more compassionate. But it would be impossible to describe Our Lady, and it would be impossible to make the statue as beautiful as she is.” She left the room a moment and returned with a small print of Our Lady on some sort of transparent plastic material, the most simple and unadorned I had seen, and handed it to me. “This is the picture that comes nearest to what I saw,” she said. “Our Lady seemed to be made of light, and her garments were also. There was no border of gold, no ornamentation.”


“In many books about Fatima, the prayer Our Lady asked you to say after the decades of the Rosary is given in some form as this: ‘O my Jesus, pardon our sins, save us from the fire of hell, have mercy on the souls in Purgatory, especially the most abandoned.’ Is that correct?”

“No, it is not,” she replied positively. “The correct form is the one I have written in my account of the apparition on July 13: ‘O my Jesus, pardon us, and save us from the fire of hell; draw all souls to heaven, especially those most in need.’”

“Have you ever read the works of Saint Teresa of Avila?” I was thinking especially of the descriptions of uncreated light in the Libro de su vida.

“No. Parts of them were read to us in the refectory.”

“Have you had any revelations from Our Lady about the end of the world?”

“I cannot answer that question.”

“Some persons believe that Jacinta’s vision of a persecuted Pope referred to some particular Pontiff. Some believe the present Holy Father was the one she saw.”

“Jacinta said it was a Pope. There was nothing to indicate any particular Pope.”


“Why did you say nothing about the Angel of Peace for so many years?”

“Nobody told me to. I am under obedience. The priest to whom I mentioned it at the time told me not to speak of it again. I never did until the Bishop told me to write everything down.”

She explained the different effects of the apparitions of the Angel and of Our Lady in terms of very similar to those she had used in her memoirs. She seemed very fond of such words as “intimo” and “intenso.” Her recollections were clear and precise. “The Angel left us feeling exhausted, helpless, overpowered, and we remained lost to everything for hours. Our Lady always made us feel light and joyous.”

Finally we came to the important subject of the second July secret, of which so many different and conflicting versions have been published. Lucia made it plain that Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world to her Immaculate Heart. What she demanded specifically was the consecration of Russia. She did not comment, of course, on the fact that Pope Pius XII had consecrated the world, not Russia to the Immaculate Heart in 1942. But she said more than once, and with deliberate emphasis:

“What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, she will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.”

“Does this mean in your opinion, that every country, without exception, will be overcome by Communism?”

“Yes.”

It was plain that she felt that Our Lady’s wishes had not yet been carried out. People must say the Rosary, perform sacrifices, make the five first Saturday Communions, pray for the Holy Father.

“Did Our Lady ever say anything to you about the United States of America?”

She gave me a rather startled glance, and then smiled in faint amusement, as if to suggest that perhaps the United States was not so important in the general scheme of things as I imagined.

“No,” she said gently. “She never did. But I wish you would have Masses said for me in the United States.” I promised, and she said she would pray for me.

It was almost eight-o-clock, and we had been talking for about three hours. (Mother Pignatelli, Father Galamba, Father Rocha, Father Furtado and Mr. Daniel Sullivan were present at the interview). As we took our leave, Sister Maria das Dores, who had entered that house as Lucia Abóbora, leaned over the railing and gave us a charming smile of farewell.

After my return from Portugal, I wrote several questions which His Excellency the Bishop of Leiria was good enough to send to Sister Dores. Her answers, written February 17, 1947, reached me too late for the first edition of this book. I summarize the most important:

The more specific request of Our Lady, that Russia be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart “by the Pope and all the bishops in the world on one special day” was made in 1927, ten years after the original revelations.

Q. “Is it your opinion that the Pope and the Bishops will consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart only after the laity have done their duty, in Rosaries, sacrifices, first Saturday Communions, etc.?”

A. “The Holy Father has already consecrated Russia, including it in the consecration of the world, but it has not been done in the form indicated by Our Lady: I do not know whether Our Lady accepts it, done in this way, as complying with her promises. Prayer and sacrifice are always the means necessary to draw down the graces and blessings of God.”

Q. “Did you write the wishes of Our Lady to Pope Pius XI?”

A. “In 1929 I wrote the desires and requests of Our Lord and of Our Lady, which were the same, and delivered the writing to my confessor; he was then the Reverend Father Bernardo Gonçalves, a Jesuit, now Superior of the Mission of Zambesia Leifidizi: His Reverence transmitted it to His Excellency the Most Reverend Senhor Bishop of Leiria, and some time later it was transmitted to His Holiness Pius XI. I do not know the exact date when it was communicated to His Holiness or the name of the person of whom my confessor availed himself. But I remember well that my confessor told me that the Holy Father had heard the message graciously and had promised to consider it.”

Q. “Can you give me a brief account of any other revelations you have received from Our Lady since 1917?”

A. “What has been published of the revelations later than 1917 appears to me sufficient to make possible the realization of the wishes of Our Lord, and I do not think the moment opportune to state anything further.”

Source: Our Lady of Fatima by William Thomas Walsh, Image Books edition 1954, pp 218-223.

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