PF confirms ALL bishops will do the Consecration of Russia

You know when the Russian armies roll it will be the most Apostate and Modernist countries that will be devastated first and worst. Just look at a map.

Germany, Austria, Italy, France, the Low countries, just as in the Second World War, but far, far, far worse.

Looking back on it General Patton was a genius and a Prophet , he could see this coming. No wonder they had the poor man murdered. Just like JFK.

 

Prayer can mitigate a world war. Prophecies can change by having enough people praying. It’s why I believe the Warning will come soon. Maybe after the Warning geopolitical decisions will be made for peace instead of war. I hope.

 

The ultrasound is cute.

I have been following Fr. Kirby's Bible study on Genesis. (Somewhat coincidentally his last video posted just before Easter was on Israel blessing Joseph's sons).

Fr. Kirby's take on the blessing, and to some degree on Isaac's culpability is slightly different than Frances's. While both are wonderful and a great gift to us, I prefer Fr. Kirby's commentary on the account of Esau, Jacob and their parents. Here's Fr. Kirby's video. If you skip forward to about the 29th minute you'll see what I mean about the slight differences.

 

I enjoyed this, thank you for sharing. He says some wonderful things and I noted that he shares some insights with Frances. For example the need to wait on God and let him handle things vs taking things into our own hands, a sin that Sara committed and that Rebecca repeats. It's good to hear various insights like the rabbi's views that he shares - there are mysteries in the OT, like why only one blessing was allowed. It sounds more like an unction to me, which I've heard said from one theologian, which would explain why only one boy could have it. He or the rabbi said something about how in the OT, it was the mother who seemed to know her children better than the father which is interesting.

He also said that the deceit sealed the fate of generations to come who would have to pay for the deception that operated at the heart of that blessing (I think the rabbi said this). The prophecy that Isaac gives about the violence and division that would affect the descendants of the brothers is similar to what I've heard Frances say: when there is jealousy and hatred among brothers or in families, that stuff gets passed down and the discord transcends several generations. It must be very important to have individuals in the lineage who forgive in order to break those curses - I guess Joseph was one of those whose forgiveness allowed his brothers to come into Egypt and not die of starvation. I see how this principle is at play in the Church today in the many people wounded by the Church who could take pleasure in its destruction.

Maybe we need a separate thread for OT topics as it's getting mixed in with the other topic.

 

If we remember it has been said that during the Warning/Illumination many souls will be that horrified at the sight of their sins and so devoid of understanding a loving merciful God and Father; like Judas they will not be capable of asking for mercy and will die in despair with shock.

We have to pray if government officials are among those who despair, they will have the grace to repent and not die of shock. Otherwise there will be chaos if government leaders are dead at that time, and not around to negotiate peaceful settlements. IMHO

 

Good insight.

 

Jacob didn't cheat Esau of the birthright.
Esau already traded his birthright for a bowl of soup cooked by Jacob. Jacob was just claiming what has been promised to him by Esau years before.

 

...and Joseph's brother Judah too who is prepared to sacrifice his life for the good of his brothers. That is why the line of the Messiah went to Judah...

 

All this predicted by Sister Lucia of Fatima in this very powerful interview in 1957.

Incidentally this may have been her last interview before she disappeared and was replaced by another woman - for years I dismissed this theory - not anymore with all the overwhelming evidence available today . But that’s another story.

 

And here’s what I think is a good video on the Medjugorje secrets.

 

Francis Hogan addresses the Sara Rebecca issue too. Her talk on Genesis is excellent!

 

She seemed convinced that we are indeed in the very end times. Fr Fuentes quotes her. She says Our Lady did not say it but Lucia understood it through Our Lady's words that Satan wanted a final showdown with Our Lady.

 

You're right. Esau did trade his birthright. If I was famished and exhausted, possibly expecting my life to be ended in the near future and a carpet bagger offered to give me some food in exchange for my house, perhaps I would accept. Would that make the carpet bagger an honest broker or a cheat? I suppose it depends on a person's values but I'm inclined to see it as cheating. Neither brother was anything to write home about.

Strange that they had to go to such elaborate lengths to deceive Isaac when the trade doesn't seem to have been a secret and Esau's marrying outside the fold had already disqualified him from receiving the blessing. I know that Rebekah was a Matriarch and we must honour her, but she comes across as being not such a nice person. Like Frances Hogan said, there's hope for us all when we look at some of the characters God chose in His plan for our salvation.

 

God told Rebekah while she was pregnant that Esau would serve Jacob. So she knew it was part of God's plan that Jacob have the bigger portion and she helped him get it.

 

Yes, it's all through the Bible that we must trust that God will keep his promises.

I was impressed by something Fr, Kirby said, and I think that Frances said something along the same lines about the effect of sin on future generations. I think he called it the temporal effects of sin. He was stressing that the guilt of the sin isn't passed down to the children but that the consequences can reach down the generations and he said something to the effect that parents' sinful behaviour can be passed down through the generations through learned behaviour. Yes, forgiveness probably pays a part, or at least not bearing grudges, but Jacob and Esau did reconcile and that doesn't seem to have prevented the Edomites going off the rails.

Yes, there are some real gems from the Rabbi. My favourite is about Abraham, Hagar and Ismael. Fr. quoted from the Rabbi's book where, based on the Jewish Midrash it appears that Abraham married Hagar after Sarah died. When Rebekah first saw Isaac, Scripture named the place he was coming from. That's the place where Hagar cried out to God and the angel appeared to her. That's the origin of the place name. According to the Midrash, Abraham, who loved Ishmael and didn't want him banished, went twice to visit Ishmael after he was frown up. Ishmael wasn't home when Abraham visited, On the first visit, Ismael's wife offered Abraham no hospitality. When Ishmael heard this, he divorced that wife. On the second visit, Ishmael's wife gave Abraham the royal treatment and when he heard about his father's visit, he wept knowing that his father still loved him. (It's believed that Ishmael's second wife was named Fatima). After Sarah died, Isaac decided that it wasn't right that he should be married and his father left all alone so he sought out Hagar and brought her to his father and they were married. The Rabbi says that it wasn't unusual in those days for people to be known by more than one name. Scripture says that both Isaac and Ishmael buried their father so there must have been a reconciliation.

You're right that this is taking the thread off topic. I'll give it a miss now.

 

And brought a curse upon herself by pre-empting God.

 

Better get a Catholic Saint to interpret this passage...

Have you read St. Louis de Montfort's "True Devotion to Mary." This is the best guide book for those who want to Consecrate themselves to Mama Mary.

This Esau, Jacob, Rebecca story is the centerpiece of St. Louis de Montfort's explanation, and it has been the plan of God all along.

Esau = represents the reprobates
Jacob = represents the chosen people of God.
Rebecca = represents Mary


St. Montfort explains that Esau represents the people who are worldly and only keep themselves with the affairs of this world. The Esaus show disdain on Rebecca (Mother Mary) and don't even bother to talk to her because they think it is just a waste of time. They just keep on doing their daily business and leisure activities...

On the other hand, St. Louis de Montfort says that Jacob represents the chosen people of God who are very DEVOTED to Mary. They always find ways to talk (pray) to her during the day even if it means sacrificing their time. Rebecca represents Mama Mary who holds the secret in gaining the precious heavenly inheritance for Her "children," after all, She is the Beloved Daughter of God the Father, Dearest Mother of God the Son, and the Chosen Spouse of the Holy Spirit...

 

Thank you, Jason, this is really helpful. Think I'm making some progress. A footnote in the USCCB Bible online says that Paul doesn't mean that God is hostile to Esau but that in Semitic usage hate means to love less. St. Paul is quoting Malachi 1:3 which uses the word "reject" rather than "hate". I get the divine election - Fr. Kirby spoke about it. My finding this so hard to grasp is an example of the danger of self interpretation of Scripture.

I'm having problems still with a deceiver being a type for the Blessed Mother. How can that be? Our Lady never lied, encouraged others to lie or was complicit in anything that could cause her to be cursed by God. Sorry for being picky but I need to dot the i's and cross the t's to get it straight in my head.

I have the DeMontford book, have done the Consecration but don't recall that passage. Have been intending to do the consecration again so maybe this is the Lord telling me to quit the procrastination, get on with it and pay more attention this time.