Cletus Schefers

Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by kathy k, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. Fatima

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    Verne's message above reminds me......Dear Lord, you are so merciful. How could anyone worship another god other than the one true God. In our weakness we fail to love you the way you deserve. We have nothing to offer you, but our fiat of saying yes to your Divine Will. We can not rely on mankind to help us through these times of darkness, only your grace will suffice. Could we ask for a greater gift then his Eucharistic presence? Could we ask for a gift better than his own mother? What a gracious loving God we have who has reserved for us his greatest gifts. Lord help us by thy grace to always say yes to whatever you ask of us. Oh sacred and Eucharistic heart of Jesus, we put all our trust and love in you oh Lord our God, for there is no other.
     
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  2. Verne dagenais

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  3. Andy3

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    Verne your messages continue to speak to me and really make me think and I absolutely love them. Before I begin to read any message I always pray for discernment from the Holy Spirit. Yesterday it had been awhile since I continued on reading so I took some time to pick up and read where I left off. I said my prayer for discernement this time with much more concentration because I always have some lingering doubts and had some confussion in my mind. The first sentence I read yesterday after this prayer was, " My son this is a message to clear up confusion in your mind." I then said, "OK Thanks!!" This message was from 9/26/07 it was quite a powerful one. I was reading though something yesterday with the timeline for the end times we are in and was confussed about something. Jesus revealed to you that the length of the era of peace after the 3 days of darkness had not been given to mankind but I thought it was at La Sallette. If I am not mistaken, and Fatima correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that time 25 years?

    Thanks for you help on this.
     
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  4. kathy k

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    Verne;

    That message about the mark of Cain is certainly chilling. I wonder how many of us have not wandered off the path at some time? I certainly have.

    But everything serves. When we see what we are capable of, our trust in ourselves is shattered, and if we are open, our trust in Him overcomes all of our weaknesses. Your painful journey has produced very good fruit, I think. Profound humility comes from you, right through the internet!

    I thank God for your fiat to Him, then and now.
     
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  5. Fatima

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    Andy, you are right in saying that Verne's messages speak powerfully to our time. To answer you question about the length of the era of peace, it is up for debate. I contend that there are two era's of peace, one being shorted lived (25 years), as the Church approved apparitions of our Lady of La Sallette foretold in her first dramatic prophecy in 1846, and the other (1000 years) that scripture and other prophecies speak of. At La Sallette, Our Lady said that men would grow cold again and fall back into his evil ways after 25 years of peace. I don't know, but I assume this could take place after the Warning, if/when enough people repent as they did at Nineveh and God will allow a brief period of peace. This short era of peace could come because the Pope and Bishops united consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and he 5th and final Marian dogma is proclaimed. I can not see where else in this era of tribulation that the 25 day's of peace could possibly fit in.

    However, the 1000 years of peace, during the Eucharistic reign of Christ, seems to come after major chastisements climaxed by the 3 day's of darkness. I do not see Verne's messages discussing this brief era of peace, rather it speaks of the long era of peace after the 3 day's of darkness.
     
  6. SteveD

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    The Church totally ignores Christina Gallagher and for good reason. This is not an open question, this woman has been sued by several families for cheating elderly relatives of their savings by promising them salvation. She has also promised unconditional salvation to those who attend her 'houses of prayer'. She lives in extreme luxury though her former(?) husband was a low ranking soldier in the Irish Army. She is a fraud full stop and any serious research will confirm it. A person who accompanied her on her 'talking tours' says that she does not attend Sunday Mass (she is apparently excused) and picked up one man in a hotel where they stayed and gave him a job in her 'organisation'. I have no doubt that many sincere people have been involved at different times, that doesn't change the facts. Please don't compare this farago with possibly genuine, but as yet unapproved apparitions, she is not in that league and the Church is never going to give a decision because it chooses to ignore what is clearly false.
     
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  7. Verne dagenais

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    Thanks and anything good I do only comes from God and his grace .
     
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    I wanted to share with you how the powers of hell tried to interfere with my family and how faithful God is. After I wrote down that message from 08/08. 2009 was interesting. First in February 2009, my daughter fell 40 ft from a ski lift and almost died. But 6 weeks later God healed her and she was up and walking. Second,that year my business I started went under and I had to declare bankruptcy and lose my home to foreclosure. Third early 2010 my computer with all these messages blew up. With little money some friends and family helped us out as God asked us to move from mn to az. The Lord provided a job for me. After moving to az , The Lord opened doors for me to meet some Christians and 2-3000 books God speaks will you listen were passed out in the western USA. I learned that if we do what God tells us to do, he always fulfills his promises. Seek ye first the kingdom go God and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you. I also learned that God is in charge and the forces of hell cannot do more than God's will allows. Finally The Lord can take a bad situation and use it for the salvation of souls and his honor and glory. It makes me realize in the days ahead we have to trust in Jesus for all our needs. Every time Satan tried to interfere God was faithful and took care of my family. Somehow I think we all have similar stories. I just want others to know our Father in heaven really does love us and care about all our needs. Cast all your upon him, for he careth for you. God bless everyone.
     
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  9. Fatima

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    God desires our patience. He has been patient with us. Everything will happen in his time table. We must trust in Jesus for all out spiritual and material needs. Ralph Martin's prophecy at Rome in 1975, keep reverberating in my heart loader every day:

    "Because I love you I want to show you what I am doing in the world today. I want to prepare you for what is to come. Days of darkness are coming on the world, days of tribulation… Buildings that are now standing will not be standing. Supports that are there for my people will not be there. I want you to be prepared, My people, to know only me and to cleave to me and to have me in a way deeper than ever before. I will lead you into the desert…. I will strip you of everything that you are depending on now, so you depend just on me. A time of darkness is coming on the world, but a time of glory is coming for my church, a time of glory is coming for my people. I will pour out on you all the gifts of My Spirit. I will prepare you for spiritual combat; I will prepare you for a time of evangelism that the world has never seen. And when you have nothing but Me, you will have everything: land, fields, homes and brothers and sisters and love and joy and peace more than ever before. Be ready, my people, I want to prepare you…" ( Prophecy recieved by Ralph Martin)
     
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    God writes stright in crooked lines.
    Sometimes very crooked.

    Sometimes so crooked that even after a lifetime studying it it seemes like Mandarin. But we get to know theres a happy ending written in there somewhere.
     
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  11. Fatima

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    Verne, is the book GSWYL available for purchase through any publisher at this time?
     
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    Cletus had the books published. But no one knows who the publisher is. Amazon has some. The books were always free. I found the original cd which
    Has the book on it. I could use your prayers. I am thinking about finding a way to make some more books. Any suggestions would be helpful.
     
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    I will have to retype this message and send it to you, if that is ok . I am answering you request here, since my tablet will not let me open the other post of yours.
     
  14. Fatima

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    Verne, I will check it out. I will also pray for discernment on your part to know how to spread God's messages. Having a spiritual director as mothersuperior7 and you are working on is the best thing to happen for you at this point.
     
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    Once again I picked up these messages today after some time not reading them and WOW WOW WOW how they speak right to an internal debate I keep having myself. Every time I say, "Jesus I Trust in You" I wonder if I fully understand what that trust truly means or am I still an infant searching, yearning and hungry for the truth which is why I constantly look to read messages because to me if heaven is talking I want to read it but instead of reading so much should I use that time better by praying for others? So as I keep having this debate in my head along comes this message today. I would love to hear your thoughts on all of this.

    Jesus, help me to come closer to that full trust and faith everyday when I say, "Jesus I Trust in You", so that one day I can truly, truly claim that with full faith, living in your complete will, without fear!


    10-15-07
    My son, this is a warning which must be given to my children immediately. My
    children do you truly mean the words you say so often, Jesus I trust in you? If so, why are
    you constantly seeking signs, wonders, and messages? Do you truly believe the words
    you pray to me or do you doubt as my disciples did? My children you are no different
    than my disciples. Please read my holy scripture. All of your answers are given to you. If
    you cannot understand my holy scripture, do you truly have my spirit residing in you or
    are you living a life of spiritual pride? For my Holy word clearly states:
    (James 1:6,7) But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering, for he that wavereth is like a
    wave of the sea, which is moved and carried about by the wind. Therefore let not that
    man think he shall receive anything of the Lord. My people, you will not receive
    anything from me, if you are constantly searching for the truth. Do you not realize I am
    the truth and the source of all graces and merits. When you continually seek after
    messengers, you are seeking after sensationalism and not after your Lord and Savior. You
    truly are showing your lack of faith and trust in me. Your words show no merit in my
    sight, because your actions and thoughts are not a reflection of me, but of your lack of
    faith. ( James 1:8) Remember a double minded man is inconstant in all his ways.
    In case you think I am being too hard on you, please read: St. Mark 4:36-40. My
    disciples had heard my teachings and seen many miracles, but yet still doubted me. As
    my word states: I was sleeping in the boat during a storm. My disciples woke me up and
    said to me: Master doth it not concern thee that we perish? And I said to them: Why are
    you fearful? Have you not faith yet? My people I will ask you the same questions: Why
    are you fearful? Have you not faith yet? When you keep searching after messages,
    miracles, and messengers, you are showing your lack of faith and trust in me. My people
    messages and miracles are not necessary for those in sanctifying grace.
    If I reside in your soul, do you truly still need something else? If you do, repent and
    ask for my mercy on your soul. No more messages are needed. If you truly believed my
    Holy words and the messages already given, you would understand, nothing else needs to
    be given. I repeat to you: If you are still searching after sensationalism, you do not
    understand what faith and trust in Jesus means. My people, do you not realize, the Holy
    Trinity resides in a soul in sanctifying grace? If I reside in your soul, you need not fear.
    For the Lord God Almighty Creator of heaven and earth has taken up in residence in your
    soul. Do not seek for peace in other places, for you will find no peace without my
    presence in your life. My people, while you are in vanity searching out messages, you are
    not fulfilling your mission. Do you realize every day many souls go to hell, because no

    one prays for them. Spend your time working for the salvation of souls, and I will protect
    you. My people I give you a warning. Time is short. Do not delay. Start today trusting in
    me only. For I the Lord, prophesy to you: When darkness covers the land, the sheep will
    be scattered and no true messages will be available. Who are you going to trust in then?
    Learn to depend and trust in your Lord and Savior today, or you will not survive those
    days. If my people would put into practice the many messages already given, you would
    have peace in your soul. Remember, I am The Lord who created the heavens and earth. I
    alone govern the affairs of man and hell. If you are following my will, I can and will
    protect my people. A final warning: please re-read the exodus of my children of Israel.
    (Numbers 26; 51, 65) This is the sum of the children of Israel, that were reckoned up: six
    hundred and one thousand seven hundred and thirty. For the Lord had foretold that they
    should die in the wilderness. And none remained of them, but Caleb the son of Jephone
    And Josue the son of Nun. (I Corinthians 10:11) Now all these things happened to them
    in figure: and they are written for our correction, upon whom the ends of the world are
    come. My people, take heed to this lesson. Only two men who originally left Egypt
    entered the Promised Land. Josue and Caleb trusted in the Lord, without sanctifying
    grace. What excuse, do you my people have today for not trusting in the Lord? You have
    received many more graces then Josue and Caleb did. You have sanctifying grace and the
    Holy Trinity residing in your soul. For I the Lord, prophesy to you again: You will not
    enter my era of peace without complete trust in the Lord and You will not enter the era of
    peace if you are not living daily the consecrations which have been made to my Mother’s
    Immaculate heart and my Sacred heart. I repeat to you again: My people, be not afraid.
    Pray, live, and teach the words: Jesus I trust in you. These words are from Jesus Christ to
    his people. Amen.
     
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  16. kathy k

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    I agree, Andy. Every time I read the messages, it's like the first time.
     
  17. Fatima

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    Ditto Andy. I am reading them for the 3rd time and still am facisnated by them. I printed them all out, have highlighted them, underlined them and wrote notes on the edge of them for quick reference. Hands down, the most inspiring messages from heaven in one compendium in our times, in my opinion. I don't even think Verne realizes how pround they really are (or maybe he does)! I think Cletus received God's messages too, but Verne's messeges seem to flow in grace for me.

    One other note. The reading of Verne's messages are prayer as far as I am concerned. Scripture is the infallible word of God, but God has used many messengers in the past 200 years and I believe that Verne's messeges are some of the more powerful ones. They speak to our times! I put them in a binder, along with the 24 Hours of Passion by Luisa Picceratta. These are my mediation prayers for the time being.
     
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  18. davidtlig

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    Your question is a very good one in the light of Verne's message which you quote. Searching for new messages which might tell us more about what is to come is, I believe, a mistake and is what Verne's message is warning us about. I do not believe authentic messages have been given to us to satisfy our curiosity. They have been given to bring us closer to God and to repentance. Searching for more messages leads to two problems. The first is, as Verne's message indicates, it distracts us from the gifts God has already given us and secondly, it increases our chances of being led astray by false messages. I believe some false messages are being mentioned on this forum.

    So did I make a mistake in reading Verne's messages which I had certainly not encountered away from this forum? I don't think I did because I was certainly not looking for more messages but simply encountered Verne on the forum and was impressed with his humble postings and contrasted them with the scriptural language of the messages which I believe to be authentically from God.

    Yes, we are all "yearning and hungry for the truth" but searching for more messages is something quite different I believe.
     
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    So if we find things that people are sharing and discussing on this forum that would be ok? I think it is one in the same. I think the point to what Jesus told Verne is the exact same point the Church makes. Messages are not needed or add anything to our faith because the answer to everything has already been covered in the bible. What is needed better is to pray to get a clear understanding of the bible. That is what I like about Verne's messages. There is so much scripture involved in them and such a better understanding of scripture especially when it comes to Revelation. Verne brings yet even further depth to Revelation 12 than I had ever heard before. The Woman is Mary and Israel. The child of the woman is not only Jesus but the Church. When Satan is cast out of heaven he goes to make war with the church. This is where the faithful remnant will have to be extremely careful in the future to not fall from the rock of Peter and side with the devil. He is here and now and in our face and will be in our faces so much more as these events escalate. We are still at Palm Sunday! The church that we know will be all but gone and hidden and we must be prepared to deal with that day. I feel like such an infant in my coming back to the church. I mourn so much for all the years I missed taking His Body and drinking His Blood but now feel like we can't do this enough now to help us for the times to come when it will become so hard for us to receive this greatest gift ever left for us.
     
  20. davidtlig

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    I actually think that the authentic messages given to us in our days are very much needed to wake us up. But the business of searching for new messages is a matter of intention. I had intended in my last reply to say that I believe Pope Francis was effectively criticising this search for more messages when he spoke, a few weeks ago, about Our Lady not being a kind of 'postmistress' posting daily messages. This was interpreted by some as a potential criticism of Medjugorje but I believe that was a mistaken interpretation.
     
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