https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2018/05/04/rethinking-the-end-times/ The above comprehensive analysis of the intermediate Era of Peace was put together by Mark Mallett back in 2018. He refers to the Rev 20 passage which Fatima leans so heavily on, but he also brings together numerous quotes from both the early Church centuries as well as some from the 19th and 20th centuries. Personally speaking, I have great confidence in the prophecies of Our Lady of Good Success, who promises her victory will come in the early part of the 21st century. It is very close. I must admit I can't believe that the Immaculata's Triumph will simply consist of a brief reprieve from evil. A victory far more substantial would be worthy of her Immaculate Heart! O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
If your concern is that there in no mention of what the "Divine will must accomplish" in the Catholic Catechism, Why be facetious/disingenuous about Our Lord's Holy prayer?
This is an open forum. I am praying that the truth will come out and people will be helped. You seem to think this is a totally approved devotion, for lack of a better term. I personally am amazed that there are people here who think that this is approved. It is my right to say what I feel. It’s full of holes! It’s heresy. Fr Ianuzzi is reported to have left the confines of his order or his superiors. He is irregular. You think you are so well informed but you gloss over what other people are seriously questioning. I have zero desire to study a cult. I don’t believe you insulted me by suggesting that I do. But I do have a right to express my grave concerns because there are many people who lurk here. Please don’t patronize me. I mean it.
Mark Mallett is mistaken. Look at the original words of Our Lady in Fatima, Portugal: “O Santo Padre consagrar-Me-á a Rússia, que se converterá, e será concedido ao mundo algum tempo de paz.” This part in black is literally “some period of peace”. algum (some) How do you can not believe in Our Lady’s words? She said “algum tempo de paz” (some period of peace). This word “algum”(some) was not said in vain. There is a reason for it. Her words is clearly referred to a not too long period of peace. It is not a case to believe, it is a case to accept. But what is some time to God? What is a Brief time to God? I have tried to find this and found Jesus saying to Maria Valtorta that this time will be a ”truce”, a sufficient period of time to humanity recover the minor tribulation. At the same time He says that although it is brief, it is no too brief. In my opinion it could be 30-50 to 200 years. Thousand years means a not revealed amount of time. Trying to find this is a waste of time because it is God’s time, only He knows, but is already revealed that this is just some time (algum tempo) not too long time. but Mark Mallett is wrong because his professor was wrong first, Fr Ianuzzi.
One thing many like yourself error in, is thinking "Catholic thinking" is all set in stone. It's not. The church is living and breathing and continuing to unfold that which has not been formally defined. Much is to come that is being debated. Not that which is infallibly set, but that which continues to develop. God continues, as always, to make his plans more visible and clear, as he said he would throughout scripture. For instance, many would like to believe all prophecy has been fulfilled. Yet, our Blessed Mother and many other saints continue unveil God's plans, his mysteries until this world ends. The fact that those on this forum cannot understand the propheticness of the Lords Prayer, is a pure example of this. What is his "kingdom come, where his will shall be done on EARTH as in heaven"? Did this already happen? Its like those who say the proper consecration of Russia took place, but they can't tell you when. When did the Lords prophetic prayer in the Our Father take place, or isn't it going to happen, where his kingdom on earth will do his will as it is done in heaven?
It is impossible that interpretation given by Father Iannuzzi and followed by Mark. It is impossible. You will have to accept the CATHOLIC TEACHING.
The Lord is prayer is too clearly. His "kingdom come, where his will shall be done on EARTH as in heaven" New Heaven and New EARTH.
HH and Prince of Peace, You are jumping on me prematurely; I still am sifting. I posted this link because it expands upon what Fatima has shared. I am praying about it all but have not made a conclusive decision, one way or the other. Actually, there is something which greatly puzzles and bothers me. There was a time when Lynnfiat had an active thread or two on the Divine Will. There were really only a handful of members that would choose to read and comment on the various posts. I never heard Lynne actively recruiting. She shared about the Divine Will as espoused by Luisa, but she generally expanded her thoughts only when curious folk like me asked questions. Never once have I considered her "on the fringe." About a year or two ago, Frodo began a pattern of confrontation, even asking Padraig to shut down various threads. And now I see others up in arms about living in the Divine Will, and contending this is an affront to the Gospel. These are members I love and respect. A question. The Catholic Church has advanced Luisa's cause to the point they are considering beatification, and obviously there has been no condemnation of her writings by the Church. In fact, if it is so clear to members here that what she says borders on the heretical, why on earth does her cause appear to be moving forward? This is my advice. Examine your motivations because I see more pride than charity in this calamity. Perhaps you know individuals who've gone off the deep end with Living in the Divine Will, but originally, that was never the case here. Remember, division is of the devil, and we now find ourselves on a merry-go-round that borders on vindictiveness. Our goal in life is not to prove ourselves right, but to state our opinions and live in peace. Concerning Luisa's case, I ask that you leave it to the Church. Safe in the Barque of Peter!
From the approved Luz de Maria messages....this one from Jan. 14, 2019....a portion: MESSAGE FROM THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY JANUARY 14, 2019 Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart: I BLESS ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL WHO LIVE IN THE DIVINE WILL. ...................................... Beloveds of My Immaculate Heart: BEING ACTIVE WITHIN MY SON'S LOVE MEANS GROWING SPIRITUALLY AND SURRENDERING UNRESERVEDLY TO THE DIVINE WILL. TESTIMONY IS ACCOMPLISHED BY WORKING AND ACTING AS GOD ORDAINS; THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED BY THOSE WHO LIVE COHERENTLY, DETERMINED TO BE DISCIPLES OF MY SON. ................ My Words: "IN THE END MY IMMACULATE HEART WILL TRIUMPH" have not been understood ... Humanity will have to become aware that calling oneself a Christian is more than a name, it is Eternal Salvation when one works and acts consciously within the Divine Law that calls all My children to be love in the midst of the calamities in which You will see the Church of My Son enveloped because of the betrayals to which it has been subjected and that will lead it to be totally renewed according to the Divine Will and not that of men. From pain and persecution, the Church of My Son will go to finding the door of Glory, totally surrendered to Divine Love, not to what you call "love for God" in this instant. SOME SAY THAT THEY LOVE GOD, AND YET DIVINE LOVE IS VERY DIFFERENT: IT IS THE FUSION OF MAN WITH HIS CREATOR. THE DIVINE WILL WILL TRIUMPH AND ALL CREATURES WILL LIVE IN IT AND PEACE WILL REIGN IN ALL PEOPLE. THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL TRIUMPH "ON EARTH AS IN HEAVEN" (Mt 6, 10b) AND MY CHILDREN WILL LIVE JOYFULLY IN TRUE LOVE. But now, My children, you must pray and act, for you have not been purified of everything.
Mario, Please read this in charity my friend, for I do respect you and hold you in high esteem. My “pattern of confrontation” goes far longer than a year. My reasons for confronting this movement - as being presented here - is quite simple: it is contrary to the Catholic Church’s doctrine and traditional teachings. There are many well respected theologians (EWTN’s Colin Donovan, Fr. Most. Servant of God Fr. John Hardin, etc.) that say so as well; this is not me or other posters going on a whim and deciding to be cruel to fellow posters. Yes, if it was my forum I would absolutely bar posting of Luisa’s passages as currently translated and out of obedience of the Ordinary in charge. I have nothing but respect for Padraig, I will respect his decision to allow discussion. He has given me permission to post on these threads as long as I keep it respectful and on point; which I feel I manage to do much more often than not. As for your question, and I’m sure you know this, but advancing the cause of a person does not automatically mean that every writing of that person is approved. And mich less an individual’s translation and interpretation of that translation. I’ve mentioned this many times, but the great St. Bernard actually argued against the Immaculate Conception! Does that make his writings on the subject “approved”? Of course not. Let me ask you this: why has the bishop asked for translations not to be disseminated until an approved translation with notes being completed? The answer, which he himself answered, is that there are problems with the current translation and interpretations being presented. I would like to also clarify the end of your post. Our goal isn’t to merely state our opinion and then live in peace. It’s to conform our lives to God and to help others to do the same. I cannot in good conscience allow a devotion such as the one being presented being promoted on the forum which I love without warning others. That’s the reason for my posting. I am very content to leave it to the Church. We should all do so - which means we should obey the Bishop of Trani and not disseminate the current English translations as they are problematic. Do not mistake my defending of doctrine with hatred or excessive rigidity. Peace my friend.
Lies! And people, including myself have done anything BUT "gloss over what other people are seriously questioning". Rather such persons have had much time and effort expended to answer those questions but they just continue to ask them over and object to every answer because there has already been set a blockage within their own minds. And Fr. Iannuzzi's own interpretation is the tome of his thesis that has had the permissions granted by the Vatican for publication and thus is being read now for years w/ said permissions. Unfortunately your errors and false witness don't do much for your arguments. Again, it would appear that this thread is only causing your statements to become more personal against the experts of the Church herself and thus a temptation for you. Your conscience is against this revelation and so you who are very serious about such things should then follow what it dictates....unless you now actually enjoy the argument itself rather than becoming more honestly informed which seems now pretty impossible.
The local authority has given over the cause to the Vatican which authority has permitted the publishing of the most extensive writings on the subject. Therefore you need to take your arguments there and not express the sense of yourself being holier than what the Church permits to be examined, and now for years! You're barking up the wring trees here!! This has now become a rehash of what has already been given w/ all the references and sources necessary. Have some respect for those efforts and evidence offered and receive them w/o the constant approach of argument then for argument's sake.
No, it is not approved. The Church never approves ongoing alleged apparitions. If you are going to maintain your position kindly provide the bishop’s declaration of approval of Luz de Maria.
Let’s pray the rosary for each other. Let’s promulgate the rosary on this thread, too. That will help us all.
Frodo, I do respect you, also. When I have an opportunity to witness to a Protestant friend about the true Faith, I hope and pray our discussion can be a civil and also an open one. Wisdom teaches when a series of roadblocks are reached where there is little or no chance of mutual agreement, it is time to let the dust settle. Otherwise, frustration builds, arguments become circular, and JoeJerk gets his foot in the door. There is a reason Our Lady is called the Queen of Peace. This is her forum and Padraig is the moderator. Padraig has decided to allow the Divine Will threads to remain open; he trusts we will act like adults. I respect him for that. But I also believe Mary, like any good Mother, would say to her children, "Such squabbling is unproductive. Desist. Peace." Galatians 5: 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality , impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions , 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. I believe the highlighted words above apply to this thread, for the discussion has become circular. Whenever this occurs JoeJerk can lay a foundation for disputes, dissensions, factions. Such circumstances do not reflect the dispositions of Our Lady. There was a time when a flurry of letters between Jerome and Augustine were becoming somewhat vindictive. Augustine realized this, paid Jerome several compliments, and backed off. That doesn't mean his convictions changed. It simply means it was time to seek peace. Safe Under Mary's Mantle!
If the rosary is allowed to be promulgated here, then we are inviting Our Lady. After all, this is Her forum.
