ANTONIO YAGüE ALERT: Warning Astro Visualized - CONFIRMED

In the past, I could get from Outlook without having the program but they got wise to that. But now that I think about it I may have his address somewhere. Thanks.

Some people come on strong occasionally. We all need to be a little more accepting of each other's views. (Geez, Same team!)

Edited: Not just one person who does the above. Last statement is not directed to you Dolours.

 

I corrected the above so it makes sense, sorry. (I had typed that statement twice because I lost the first post and was a bit too quick with typing it for the 2nd time.)

I looked for his email address but no luck but I can ask my husband to retrieve it since he has Outlook. (I don't like having to download another program on my computer, it is a mess already.)

Peace to all.

 

Hi Earthtoangels,

I believe I understand what you mean.

Over the many years that we have been members here on the Mog forum; I have often read your posts and realised I do not agree with your point of view and I expect you have felt the same when you have read some of my posts! but neither of us have ever resorted to defaming, labelling or misquoting the other and I suspect this is because we respect the others journey with God and we also respect the Holy Catholic Catechism!

In the Catholic Catechism we read that the eighth commandment states.......

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.253

2464 "The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations to others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of holy people to bear witness to God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth expressed by word or deed is a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense; they undermine the foundations of the covenant".

It further states that.....

Every good Christian ought to be ready to give a favourable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him and If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation.

I believe this is what you have done.

May God continue to Bless you.

 

"When Communism comes again."

I decided once again - perhaps the last time - explain why I find the emphasis on this word 'Communism' and all the suspiciousness towards Russia so dangerous... First, I read many Protestant prophecies in the years 2003-2005. It was my time to search there in the Protestant world. And it was all this: Putin is Anti-Christ, Russia is Dragon, Pope is the False Prophet, Catholics worship Mary, they act like pagans in their worship aso. Should I have believed all that? Of course not, and I found certain features in their beliefs that guided their thoughts to certain, dangerous paths. It's too long a story to tell here but I rejected them and their prophecies once and for all.

Then I read Orthodox prophecy and found there very different approach which is of course natural. It was quite the opposite... Unbelievably I understood that these Orthodox predictions talk about a new era in Christendom's history, some kind of bloom. It is not those 1000 years some Protestants talk about, it was somehow different: shorter and easier to believe to happen in this world of ours. It was a possibility to every person meet his God and accept Him. According the prophets (from many centuries) our pure Orthodox Faith was going to take part in this renewal. It should give testimony of real Christian faith all over the world, in Western countries, too. This was a great relief to me. BUT there was also going to be a difficult period in Russian Orthodox Church when bishops were on the wrong side and did not serve the truth. There would be persecution... Of course it's very hard to give some timelines about these proceedings.

Then I got to know some of your Prophecy, quite a lot in 3,5 years I would say. There I found again a different approach, usually it was like Russia is the evil empire, there are only evil leaders in that country, they are going to occupy the poor European/Western countries... Well, I had read Russia would enlighten Western world with it's Orthodox Faith! Quite a difference! That's why I can't accept this onesided view that Russia is the root of all evil ... Of course it was one very evil player in the 20th century and spread it's errors all over the world. We all know it happened already. Why it would happen twice? I think Russia has nowadays quite a different role to play and it should be studied very thoroughly. Many have already changed their minds of Russia's role and this gives me some hope. I think that to us is very dangerous to search Anti-Christ from the wrong direction....know your enemy and you will win. If we find the wrong enemy and destroy him the real one is celebrating somewhere else! (I apologize my English: I can't explain this with fine words.) I would search the Anti-Christ who is allied with godless Western countries (USA, EU). Sorry but I can't think otherwise. In my mind the Protestant prophecies I read were deliberately designed to mislead. It's goal was to lead Christians chase the wrong enemy and eventually, become it's victim. That's why I found their teachings so very dangerous.

About Putin: He relies too much on weapons. He should trust only in God. We can't teach him to lead his huge country - maybe he makes some errors on his path and something right, too. He is responsible for himself before God as all leaders - and I think he as a leader at least knows that fact.

Soon I shall start my Christmas break here on the forum. I have written this much - after long period of silence - because I was guided to do so. I did not know it beforehand, it just happened. At first in 2013 I promised write something about Orthodox prophecies and compare them to Catholic ones. That task has been harder than I thought, in many ways. This was now my brief summary... only the main lines due to my lack of language skills (I have studied English only at shcool, not at the university).



CHRIST IS BORN - GLORIFY HIM!

 

Beautifully written! We need to pray hard that Russia does not fall for the plan of the globalists. Let's hope with the Trump administration we work together to make the world a more Christian one.

 

This is from Mr. Yague's latest post (please excuse any poor translations):
"The story of Garabandal began with an apple tree and will conclude with a pine-fir. The two central trees of Genesis: the apple tree symbol of the science of good and evil and pine-fir tree memory of life, we relive every new Christmas. In the first the girls found the Angel. In the second will be the sign of the great Miracle that will come to convert the world. Between them a steep road, full of abundant stumbling stones, reminiscent of the history of mankind and of the apparitions of Garabandal until now."

I am almost certain that google translated something incorrectly but the general idea is there.

 

Thank you, Carol. Wonderful connection.

 

I also feel that good will come from Russia in a Religious sense, not sure if Putin is the anti Christ but time will tell. I really do not think the AC is from the USA or Russia but he is looming and will show his face soon. According to Fr Malachi Martin he will give mankind the solution to something that will plague humanity and we will be very grateful to this person. So stay alert. He ain't the nice guy he wants you to think he is. It is puzzling though this guy has to be active at this stage Fr Malachi did say in 1997 or 98 that he was among us but not active then. I'm trusting no one who is out there at the moment I'm questioning everything. Preparation people it's all in the preparation.

 

Russia is not the "root of all evil" as you have stated. However Communism is a diabolical evil, which was founded and rooted in Russia. Following I will quote one of Mark Mallett's most recent blogs, which seems to say it as good as it can be said as it pertains to Russia and Communism. Our Lady of Fatima spoke boldly on the effects Russia (its government, not the people) will have upon the world.

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/capitalism-and-the-beast/
"Now, how exactly have the “errors” of Russia been spread? First, understand brothers and sisters that Communism in its form as we have seen in the former U.S.S.R, China, and present-day North Korea is not necessarily the goal, though the totalitarianism we see there is its necessary conclusion. Rather, the goal all along has been to spread the “errors” of practical atheism and materialism to corrupt democracy. Indeed, as I explained in Mystery Babylon and The Fall of Mystery Babylon, Russia was merely ground zero for the secret societies engineering Satan’s plan, those…

…authors and abettors who considered Russia the best-prepared field for experimenting with a plan elaborated decades ago, and who from there continue to spread it from one end of the world to the other. —POPE PIUS XI, Divini Redemptoris, n. 24; www.vatican.va

Thus, with the fall of the Berlin Wall and dissolution of the U.S.S.R., Communism did not die, but rather, changed face. In fact, the “collapse” of the Soviet Union was entirely planned years in advance. You can read about that in The Fall of Mystery Babylon. The essential goal was a “restructuring” or “perestroika” as it was called. Michel Gorbachev, then leader of the Soviet​

Union, was on record speaking before the Soviet Politburo (policy-making committee of the Communist party) in 1987 saying:

Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. —from Agenda: the Grinding Down of America, documentary by Idaho Legislator Curtis Bowers; www.vimeo.com "

 

Where does God say that He favours democracy? The Jews weren't happy with judges and requested a king so God gave them a king, but I don't recall anything in Sacred Scripture or Tradition saying that democracy is pure or will bring us closer to God.

 

Just adding this into the discussion, this is from Bl. Anne-Catherine Emmerich: "I also saw the various regions of the earth. My Guide (Jesus) named Europe, and, pointing to a small and sandy region, He uttered these remarkable words: 'Here is Prussia, the enemy.' Then He showed me another place, to the north, and He said: 'This is Moskva, the land of Moscow, bringing many evils.'”

 

God gave The Jews Saul begrudgingly because of the hardness of their hearts.
Democracy is good and the best system we have in so far as much as it allows freely men to pursue life, liberty and happiness in accordance with the will and law of God.
Self rule is an example of the Church (people of God) and its growing maturity, though like obstinate teenagers we have been disobedient to our Father, but this does not mean the gift is somehow corrupt or a former type of rule is better.
I guess if you compare Covenanted Israel to the birth of the USA and more distinctly its language in the Deceleration you can see similarities of Gods intent for man to self rule but always under his law and more specifically under his law of Love. As such it is not unreasonable to assert God gave us Democracy as a sort of prelude to the eternal kingdom. But obviously we see today where we have corrupted the gift by our rebellion as so did Israel and as such they were given Saul. But God in his mercy anointed David after him, an image and promise of the Kingship of Christ.
I think the kingship of Christ will be a lot like democracy in so as it rejoices in the freedom of man to choose and be free. I imagine the kingdom of God to be one were God rejoices in our constant free choices because then they will all be constituted in his Great Law of Love.

 

Conchita told the author in 1965 when everything would be set in motion:

“When communism comes again everything will happen.”

The author responded: “What do you mean by comes again?”

“Yes, when it newly comes again,” she replied.

“Does that mean that communism will go away before that?”

“I don't know,” she said in reply, “the Blessed Virgin simply said 'when communism comes again'.”

Albrecht Weber
Garabandal. Der Zeigefinger Gottes

An excerpt from the above mentioned German book[2] further informs us:

Mrs. (Christine) Bocabeille then asked Mari Loli:

“If you are not allowed to tell me the exact year of the Warning, perhaps you could tell me approximately when it will happen.”

“Yes it will be that time when the world will most need it.”

“When is that?”

“When Russia will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world. God does not want this to happen so quickly. In any case the Warning will come when you will see that Holy Mass cannot be celebrated freely anymore; then it will be that the world will most need the intevention of God”

For our further reflection, keeping in mind that prophecy is a charism of the papacy, is this quote from Blessed Pius IX :

“There will come a great sign that will fill the world with awe. But this will occur only after the triumph of a revolution during which the Church will undergo ordeals which are beyond description.”

We don’t know when all this will happen, but Albrecht Weber’s book contains this statement attributed to Conchita:

“The pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican, hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe.”

[The source for this information was also requested. Mr. Weber responded: "Conchita said this in a long conversation at her house on November 14,1965."]


What makes things a bit compelling in discerning the exact context of "communism" in this statement is the time in which it was made, 1965. Rather than coming again back then or since then within that same context, we know that the recognized "communism" of that time was usually the Soviet Union/Russia (since Russia by name was used) with its forced system upon the unwilling, and China, but China adopted Marxist Communism out of Russia for its own needs. Then of course a couple of decades later we had the containing wall of that forced system at least come down while, as is stated by Gorbachev at the time, it was only for external propaganda while the goal of world conquest remained for those same leaders. So at least in the context above Russia is still the main future instigator and there will be a time coming that includes a great part of the free world where Holy Mass "cannot" be celebrated freely anymore. Sooo, using the context in which the discussion originated one "could" still be looking for something more definitely recognized in a loss of open freedoms that are still available today. Just sayin.

 

The link for the info for the comment above is:
http://www.1260.org/Mary/Apparitions_Garabandal/Garabandal_Apparitions_Communism_Comes_again_en.htm

and the "summation" listed there is:

To sum it up
A worldwide communist takeover led by Russia will appear to have succeeded and in the midst of this frightful aggression will be a harrowing persecution of the Church. Priests will have to go into hiding, the churches boarded up and it will become very difficult for the faithful to practice their religion. It will seem as though the Church had disappeared. The duration of this persecution is not known but it will take an act of God, the Warning, to stop it.

To close on a positive note, we again quote from Fr. Brennan's 1983 article[1]:

As a result of all this there will be a turning to God that will match the apostasy from God that preceded it, with the result, as Our Lady said at Fatima, that “an era of peace will be granted to humanity.” This will be a peace such as the world has never known.
[1] Fr. Joseph Brennan, O.C.S. "Prophecy for Our Time". Appeared in the May 1983 edition of the Homiletic and Pastoral Review.

Barry Hanratty
Garabandal's prophecy about communism

 

This appears to be new, I haven't watched the whole thing yet. If you do not speak Spanish you will need to use the CC/Subtitles option. I don't have the patience right now to read all of the captions but it is not an update on the events. Maybe someone who speaks Spanish can give us an overview of it.

EarthToAngels, There is also proof from the book by A. Weber (I think it is that one) that the Miracle will not be on a Holy Thursday but this is ignored by many people also (in addition, to the even numbered year for the Warning). There are so many reasons why it would be difficult for me to convince those who have studied Garabandal that 4/13/17 is the date and I must admit that I have my own reasons for wanting it to be this date so my ability to discern is impeded but it still makes sense to me.

 

It is only proof that the self-appointed apostles of Garabandal preach their predictions and not the truth. Why Maria Saraco has not excluded the Holy Thursday? Is the greater apostle of Garabandal than her at all?

 

My view on all the references to communism in the Garabandal prophecies is that whatever word Our Lady actually used when speaking to the visionaries (presumably 'comunismo'), I believe Our Lady was referring to atheism, not to a political system.

One might ask why not use the term 'atheism' then. I think because that term simply means "absence of belief in the existence of deities". So atheism itself is not actually aggressive. But the atheistic communism of the Soviet Union (and of the republican side in the Spanish civil war) WAS aggressive.

The current removal of God from education and from the general belief of the people IS aggressive atheism. People do not want to hear about God any more. I believe it is this development to which Our Lady was referring when she spoke of 'communism'.

 

How do you know what Maria Saraco thinks about Holy Thursday as not plausible for the Miracle? I asked someone on MOG if Maria had thoughts about an odd numbered year for the Warning but the question was unanswered.

 

After the ruinous Spanish Civil War, the Spanish people knew about the evils of communism. Particularly the murder of thousands of clergy, according to Padre Fortea. Saint Josemaria Escriva of Opus Dei, had to flee one city because the Reds, the Republicans, were murdering on sight any known clergy. The horrors of the Spanish Civil War, were well known, so I can see how the children of Garabandal, could say when communism returns. In the sixties, when the Vision took place, Spain was under the Franco regime, and Franco did not allow communism into Spain, while he was alive.

 

Little Voice,

I would like to request clarification, to understand the context of your sentence, could you specify whom do you refer as "self-appointed apostles of Garabandal?" The girls? Maria Saroco? Someone else?

Thank you.