Sister Lucy truth

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  1. Carmel333

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    I do understand the problem but am not convinced this is an imposter. Her individual features seem to match considering the aging process, and although her teeth are different in later years I believe they are just some bad dentures that don't match the shape of her biological teeth of her youth. Her upper lip seems thinner but that is aging and the shape of her smile looks the same, the set of her eyes, nose etc...
     
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    The facial feature which most convinces me that they are not the same person is the chin. The later Sr. Lucy has a protruding chin, while the younger one does not. If I was to carricature the situation, I might say: protruding vs. receding chin. I do not believe it is possible to grow a protruding chin in old age. One might say that loss of subcutaneous fat or facial padding could could account for an apparent age-related change chin structure, however, I discount that as an explanation. The other difference is the eyes which to me indicate two distinct Sr. Lucys.
     
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    Exactly, her eyes and brows are the same, except for aging. All is the same. I am 74 and my lips are waaaayyy thinner now. When compared to photos of her sister, there is no question in my mind that this is the real Sr. Lucy. I think it's wrong to put forth something like this. It's liable to judgment.
     
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    For those who believe there is no fake Sr. Lucy, no explanation is necessary, however.
     
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    In the end, Sister Lucia did what Our Lady asked of her. She informed the Church authorities as was requested by heaven. They chose to ignore it all. She and her cousins suffered terribly, but they didn't have to convince anyone of the truth of what they saw and heard. The Church even approved Fatima, and then ignored it. That's weird in and of itself.

    We've been told by many holy people that praying the rosary is a necessity for our times.
    Imo, that's the long and the short of it. While it's interesting to consider what may have happened, that is really just more distraction in the end. We pretty much know now what some who are "in charge" are capable of...:notworthy:
     
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    Truth. And we know that all that is hidden shall be made manifest in God's time.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    When I watched the video the real Lucy DID have a protruding chin. See 5:46 in the video. The pictures are 20 years apart and I for one changed alot in the 20 year from age 40 to 60 years. My eyes especially are dimmer and smaller. My eyebrows have less hair on them , and my lips have thinned. I don't DISbelieve that the message may have been hidden, or Lucia could have been forced to change her statements, but I just don't see how someone can think this is a different person.
     
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    I agree with you. It is the same person. I am being redundant:ROFLMAO:
     
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    I feel the same. I don't see how someone can think they are the same person. If you look at the side profiles in the photo Blizzard attached, the chins seem unmistakeably different. And there is all the evidence from those who specialise in detection of anatomical differences for crime scenes etc.

    It is debateable whether the later Sr. Lucy looks like her 'sister'. In any case she could equally well be the sister of the younger Sr. Lucy, where the resemblance is perhaps even less, because parental traits segregate unevenly in children, such that siblings often look very different from one another.

    I would not lose sleep over this. The main messages of Fatima are well known or at least well documented.

    I have noticed some slight push-back against the Fatima phenomenon even by the well respected Fr. Benedict Groeschel, CFR (RIP). In one of his talks he says that Sr. Lucy changed her story. He is immediately interrupted by a technical problem and upon restarting his talk he fails to return to that subject. Normally, the demons are blamed for such interferences, however, it seems to me the angels performed a premptive strike in this case too.
     
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    I’m not losing sleep over this. :) Sister Lucy’s family said that there was no fake. I have zero confidence in so called “studies.” I’m not going to continue to debate this now, though. People will believe what they want to believe.
     
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    When you take into account ALL the discrepancies , not just the chin , you bet they're two different people.
     
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    Sounds more like persistent to me!:LOL:
     
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    Yes, alas, I have slid back into my persistent mode:ROFLMAO:
    It comes back to who is financing these studies, what is the motivation behind this campaign, and is this the truth? Even though it is presented as truth? Are these studies really on the level? These are questions that probably cannot be answered completely. As with any imposter theory, there will be believers.
    As for the people who think that the family would not know if Sr Lucy had been swapped, there were photographs of Sister Lucy for years. And the family was in touch.
    Even if I spoke to my brother and heard his voice behind a grille, I would know it was him.
     
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    If they end up being the same person I'll buy a round at the heavenly pub for everyone that was right. But, if they are proven different people, as is obvious to me, I'll have a large draft. Thanks in advance for the beer!:):ROFLMAO:
     
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    You're on!:p:ROFLMAO:
     
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    Not to be unkind but I think Sr. Lucia’s sister looks like a man.
     
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    It’s a rough life in the countryside without moisturizer. And other fancy stuff. Plain woman, unadorned.
     
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    This is an interesting thought provoking article on the topic.

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    THE NEED TO SILENCE SISTER LUCY

    There are some indications that Sister Lucy might have died as early as 1958. Before this date, the modernists were very worried about the entire Fatima issue, because they did not know what the Third Secret contained. This concern became evident after Sister Lucy’s meeting with Father Fuentes became public in 1958. The transcript of the interview came like a shot out of the blue and sent shock waves through the Vatican.

    Sister Lucy could not mention the nucleus of the secret to Father Fuentes because it was not yet 1960. However, what she did reveal was likely connected with the secret. “Each person must not only save his own soul, but also all the souls that God has placed on our path.” In a devastating statement Lucy said not to look for any help to come from the Holy Father, our Bishops in our Dioceses nor from Religious Congregations. The last 60 years have proven her right.

    In 1958 it became very clear that the Vatican wanted Sister Lucy to be silenced. I give the following symptoms:

    • The Diocese of Coimbra, where Lucy’s Carmelite Convent was located, announced that Sister Lucy would have nothing more to say about Fatima.
    • The Papal Nuncio to Lisbon said to John XXIII in December 1958: “It would be wise for you to find out what is in the Third Secret. Sister Lucy has contacted me. She could issue a message to the world. I do not know if that would be opportune…”
    • On August 18, 1959, John XXIII read the Third Secret with his confessor and a translator and said – as if he were God and knew the future – “This does not concern my pontificate.” It is rather surprising that just two months later, on November 19, 1959, John XXIII granted an audience to the new Bishop of Leira, who declared that they talked a great deal about the seer of Fatima. And he affirmed: “The Holy Office will take care of everything and keep it on the right lines.”
    • In 1960, Sister Lucy’s confessor for many years from Brazil was not allowed to see her.
    • It was announced in Portugal on February 8, 1960, through A.N.I. news agency, citing a very reliable Vatican source, that the “Third Secret will not be revealed and will probably remain forever under absolute seal.” How true! Only John XXIII had the authority to make such a decision.
    • Our Lady told Lucy on June 13, 1917: “I will take Jacinta and Francisco shortly; but you will stay here for some time to come. Jesus wants to use you to make Me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to My Immaculate Heart throughout the world.”
    With Lucy silenced by the Vatican, was it time for God to bring her to Heaven since she could not continue with her desire to promote the devotion to Our Lady? It was on May 13, 1917, at the first apparition that Lucy asked if they would go to Heaven; she was told, yes, she and Jacinta would go to Heaven, but Francisco would need to say many Rosaries first. Can you think of any better advice?

    • Sister Lucy’s warning to Catholics, which she confided to Fr. Fuentes, about not to look for guidance from Church leadership proved to be a prophecy fulfilled. The death of Sister Lucy was a trend that followed other persons involved with Fatima.
    • In 1930, Pius XI was requested with the Bishops of the world to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that there would be peace in the world. He never responded to the request and died in 1939 shortly after the start of World War II, a war he could have prevented.
    • From 1944 to 1957 Bishop da Silva of Leiria was entrusted with keeping the Third Secret, which he had ordered Sister Lucy to write. In April of 1957 he sent the secret to Pius XII and by the end of 1957 he was dead.
    • Pius XII received the secret in April 1957 and never opened it. He sent religious in the early 1950s to interrogate Sister Lucy about the secret while he could have just invited her to the Vatican. Was he afraid for her safety? Did the progressivists he appointed advise him not to read the secret? He had the secret in his possession for 18 months before his death on October 9, 1958.
    The Sister Lucy as described by Father Fuentes as being very sad, very pale and emancipated was never seen again. Did she die? Was she killed? According to rumors from the Freemasons the “nun of Fatima” was killed in October 1958. Could this be true?

    The entire article is here:

    https://ourladyofmountcarmelusa.com/newsletter-78/

    “emancipated “ above is obviously a typo. It should read “emaciated”.
     
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