Purgatory and The Final Judgment

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  1. fallen saint

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    Animals, trees and angels share divine life.

    We become one with divine life.

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  2. Frankly

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    Yes.. All of Creation was negatively impacted by the Fall ..

    18 I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

    19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God; 20 for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; 23 and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved.

    Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.


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    IN THE CHURCH, We are parts of God's Temple.. Our Lord Jesus is as its Head/Mind.. . GOD's Holy Spirit is at the Heart - flowing all through THE BODY of CHRIST

    We are One.. and we retain Individualness.

    The Spiritual Comm UNION of SAINTS

    Sanctity? Is our obligation to God; is it not?

    Our Efforts must Optimize/Maximize

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    My understanding is no damned souls are in Purgatory. Now of course those who die in mortal sin may not be damned per the judgement of God but only He knows that, but once a soul is in Purgatory that soul is indeed saved. An example would be say you missed mass. You are in mortal sin now but you are so sorry in your heart and you have intention to go to confession for this sin. However you die in a state of mortal sin but your sorrow and intention to confess is there but you did not get to. This soul may not be damned to hell per the mercy, love and judgement of God.

    The "time" and "suffering" if you will in Purgatory is a whole different story. There is no time after death but for us to understand "time" is used to help us in the sense that a soul could spend a much longer "time" in purgatory depending upon the sins of their lives. The suffering is not in the sense of the sufferings we think of here on Earth. The suffering there is now this soul in death has full knowledge and thus full longing to be with God and yet they are not yet with God. This is a suffering far worse than we can ever imagine here. All you want in this state is to be with God and yet we still need to be cleansed.
     
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    ….interestingly, in my 57 years I don’t know that I thought of missing Sunday mass as being a mortal sin. Indeed, Ive believed that all Catholics “ should” go to Sunday mass to fully partake in what it means to be Catholic. And, Ive also always believed that missing a Sunday or day of holy obligation mass was reason to confess. But, and Im neither arguing nor am I seeking a definitive answer as I’ve already verified it and will speak to my pastor further, I guess I just have a hard time believing God would damn to hell a Catholic who was basically a good person but chose not to attend every single mass. Im not promoting it, or even condoning it. But I just can’t see God doing that . And what of people doing their best to keep the commandments, but are of other denominations and dont go to mass, regularly. Personally, I cant see them being condemned to eternal damnation, either
     
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    Did you ever attend Catechism classes? That is where I learned what constitutes a mortal sin and what constitutes a venial sin. Guides to Confession mention the sins we should mention in the confessional. Missing Mass on Sundays and holy days is a mortal sin.
     
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    In your case Mark, you have never committed mortal sin for missing mass because a key element for sin to be mortal is knowledge of the sin then doing it anyway. Missing Mass on Sundays and Holy days breaks the commandant of making Holy the Sabbath thus making it mortal sin.

    Now you did just emphasize my example though. See I don’t think God would damn one either who missed then at some point felt bad for missing and yet died before confession.
     
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    Yes.. back when, there's no doubt whatsoever that (barring sickness and/or a very serious reason) Missing Mass was taught a being a Mortal Sin..
    Eating Meat on Friday was also taught to be a serious sin. Etc., and Etc. .

    RE: Mortal Sin? Back when? What was not taught are the 3 conditions necessary for a Sin to be fully Mortal

    Today: CCC - 1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

    My paraphrasing.

    1. A Grave Sin.. Such as Fornication ..
    2 Knowledge that such an act is a Mortal Sin
    3. Consciously Purposely Sinning Mortally in a manner that is fully opposed to God!

    Condition 3 .. suggests something very very serious . such as what could be imagined as how Satan Sinned before God in Heaven, Causing Satan to be cast out - to Earth, by the way (he's the prince of this worldly world).

    POINT... Yes.. In My Belief: .. Sins not fully Mortal would most likely not auto-send someone to HELL>
     
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    Breaking one of the ten commandments is grave sin. The third commandment is to 'keep the Sabbath holy'.

    So deliberately missing Mass is a grave sin.

    But then you have to factor in culpability because we live in an a la carte culture of pick and choose.
     
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    You not going to Mass and me not going to mass is a sin. But we don’t know our intentions or reasons therefore its a different mark in our soul. But is it a sin...of course.

    Lets put it easier!

    Our goal in life is to get as close to God as we can. By our actions, thoughts and deeds. If we were striving to be close to God...Sunday mass is the bare minimum.

    The closer we get to God, the more He takes over. More Mass, More Prayer, less sin. The true conversion process is a journey to try to be one with God.

    Modern man doesn’t comprehend because we have so many things to be distracted by. They are not only distractions but also gradual reminders or messages that the world does not need God.

    As we start straying from God...we start opening up to sin. Might be small, to start... but as pendulum begins going away from God, we start saying sin is ok.
     
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