Russia secret weapon?

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  1. BrianK

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    Only one country in the world has ever deployed nuclear bombs against an enemy. The Japanese were already in peace negotiations with the west months before those bombs were dropped. It was not necessary to attack huge innocent populations with indiscriminate weapons of mass destruction to bring WWII to a close.

    In the eyes of God, we will answer for this.

    This context is always relevant to current discussions about the use of such weapons.
     
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    That is revisionist fantasy which ignores reality.
    Since I'm not going to copy/paste the entire thing, William Pellas is one of the foremost authors on this subject.
    https://www.quora.com/Did-Japan-rea...fore-the-atomic-bomb-was-dropped-on-Hiroshima
     
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    My father who was in the Pacific in the Navy during WWII and so had a front row seat in the fighting felt the bombings were justified and saved countless American soldiers' lives because the Japanese were entrenched and would have fought to the last man. I think hind sight tends to be 20 20 as they say. At the time the decision was made it seemed the right thing to do. It ended the war in the Pacific over night.
     
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    I researched this matter a few years ago. At the time I knew that President Truman was a Freemason as highlighted in the article below:

    https://scottishritenmj.org/blog/harry-truman-freemason

    Not Just a Man. A Mason.

    There is a Truman White House anecdote of particular interest to Freemasons which occurred at the end of the war. As the building was undergoing repairs, President Truman reviewed the construction and noticed carvings on some of the stones in the original walls. The markings turned out to be the “signatures” of the stonemasons who worked on the original construction. As a gift to his brethren across the country, Truman gifted many of the stones to Grand Lodges across the United States.


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    Truman gifted the original stones from the White House to various Grand Lodges.

    Throughout his political career, Truman never neglected his duties as a Freemason. In 1940, he was elected Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Missouri. In 1945, not only was Truman made President of the United States, but he also received the honor of 33rd degree Sovereign Grand Inspector General in the Scottish Rite's Supreme Council, Southern Jurisdiction. That same year, the Supreme Council, Northern Masonic Jurisdiction, awarded Truman its first Gourgas Medal, the Supreme Council's highest honor. On May 18th, 1959, MWB Truman was presented with the fifty-years award and was the only U.S. President to reach that golden anniversary in the fraternity.

    Having ascended to the highest possible rank among Masons, President Truman was necessarily imbued with a animosity for all things Catholic. I will try to find a reference to the source document, but I would never frivolously claim the following:


    The use of atomic bombs to end the war in the Pacific in 1945 included an attack on Nagasaki, which was the center of Catholicism in Japan. Though a "secondary" target (the primary target was abandoned in mid-flight), it was designated so because of the key naval base in that city. However, mysteriously, the atomic bomb was detonated directly over the Catholic cathedral:(, some 3 kilometers from the naval base. The base, itself, did not suffer debilitating damage. The city had the largest Catholic population among cities in Asia.

    This reality is not revisionist fantasy.:cry:

    Lord have Mercy!
     
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    Oh dear. So troubling. The deeper we go into political power structures in the US the creepier it gets.
     
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    https://www.denisonforum.org/curren...church-killing-thousands-of-believers-nearby/

    Lord have Mercy!
     
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    Pope St John the 23rd in his Letter, 'Pacem in Terris'. (Peace on Earth) which I believe he wrote round about the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis states quite clearly that there can be no moral justification for the use of Nuclear Weapon.

    Why?

    Well because they are so indiscriminate. They just burn all round them.

    Imagine you were a soldier in any army in the world and used one of these things.

    Then imagine you died and appeared before the Judgement Seat of God.

    Would you be comfortable to do so?
     
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    I have not really being following the Ukraine War. It just all makes me so sad.

    But tonight I watched two videos. One supporting Russia;the other the West.

    They made me sad because they were both full of lies and half truths.

    Our Blessed Mother does not support either side because we are all her children.

    It is certainly true that the very first victim of war is the truth.
     
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    What does concern me is the very casual way both sides talk about using Nukes.

    This is madness.
     
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    One of the Secrets from Medugorje concerned Turmoil in certain area of the World.

    It is clear now that the Medugorje Secrets are just about to unfold before our very eyes
     
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    In those days, our military men believed whatever narrative the government told them. At that time they had no reason not to. There was no “alternative media,” no questioning of the official line.

    Today we know better. There is no way to justify the indiscriminate murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilian women, children and elderly. (Most of the men were already in the military and off to war.). None whatsoever.
     
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    The older I get the more I wonder about the moral justification for war at all.
     
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    There may have been a time.

    But now with nuclear, bio and chemical weapons it just seems like a doorway to mass global suicide.

    A king of gigantic Russian Roulette.
     
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    If you are implying that Truman deliberately targeted the (few) Catholics of Japan, then this really is gross defamation. Several of Truman's in-laws were Catholic and he shared a home with them for some years without any recorded rancour.

    Nagasaki did NOT have the 'largest Catholic population among the cities in Asia'. Its Catholic population was estimated to be around 12,000 in 1945 which figure would be dwarfed by Manilla and other cities in the Philippines. It is true that it had the larger Catholic population of any other Japanese city.
     
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    They were innocent civilians. It doesn’t matter whether they were Catholic or not.
     
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    Please read my post.
    I know that, I was disputing that they had been targeted BECAUSE they were Catholics.
     
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    Ooops. Sorry.
     
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    I contest the accusation of mere "whataboutism". Facts are ultimately what represent reality, not opinion. A fact is a function of an act-the only acts, heretofore, of dropping nuclear weapons are the ones represented by Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What you describe as 'doctrine' doesn't amount to a hill of beans compared to that horrific fact.
     
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