Father Michel Rodrigue Facebook Post about the Warning.

Apparently no one has. Do you have some inside info?

 

It is strange but more than likely it was a simple mistake - one they won't make again. These things happen. Best not to speculate about how it happened.

I also don't think it wise for us to be examining Fr. Michel's holiness. That's the kind of task undertaken by panels appointed by Bishops to investigate claims of visions/locutions/messages from Heaven. It's above our pay grade. We have to give all concerned the benefit of the doubt unless and until the Church issues an official statement developing or denying the Bishop's statement. Best to let the priest and his bishop sort it out.

 

From Bishop Lemay:

1.) “I have to tell you that Fr. Michel NEVER SUBMITTED to me any of his locutions and visions for discernment or approval.”

2.) Moreover, I learnt about his teaching while reading some reports on the website (Countdown)

3.) I did not and I do not approve his teaching with regard to his locutions and visions.

4.) It is UNTRUE that he receives the full support of his bishop as written in the Countdown to the Kingdom website and book.

 

Oh for crying out loud.....if people actually would get the basis for their accusations in fact that would help the "discussion". Fr. Michel is not the sole focus of the new Countdown to the Kingdom. There are several interesting messengers/seers w/ an audience of similar pros and cons. So why don't the usual suspects simply begin a new thread giving their personal warnings against said PRs.....at least then they won't be violating their own consciences by visiting places they feel are dangerous to the health of one's soul. You can't have it both ways w/o having one's true motivations questioned.

And to commenter above.....Fr. Michel never said that he ever "submitted" his mystical experiences to the Bishop for "discernment or approval". That is a legalistic tactic by the Bishop to answer an inquiry from a blogger, and quickly, to answer why he has supported Fr. Michel's fulfilling the requests that came through his messages. And the Bishop admits that indeed he had finally learned about his teaching (they had been on YouTube and other places prior to this more recent offering by the Countdown site) but did not interrupt anything or dealing with Fr. M if he had objections. It's only in this swift reply, apparently prior to any real investigation as he said he had only read "some reports", where he gives his personal disapproval of the messages....obviously because he doesn't believe anything that has to do w/ the Era of Peace, chastisements, preparations for those times, the Illumination of conscience, coming war....which are all contained in Fr. M's messages....and which shows that the Bishop is out of touch w/ Popes, Church Fathers, and theologians of eschatology. He then should be open to being better educated on what he, as a Bishop, is asked to oversee w/o prejudice. That personal prejudice would prevent this Bishop from ever offering any kind of neutral and proper examination according to Church protocol for examining PRs that involve these topics. Fr. M never said the Bishop fully approved of his experiences but only that he was supported by the Bishop....as is exemplified by the Bishop's participation in the completion of what Fr. M. was requested to accomplish in those mystical experiences....giving him permission to leave his former responsibilities to the several parishes in order to accomplish this in a rushed manner....to be accomplished in 2020. Actions are important as well as the exact words used so that they don't become personal weapons to bash a good priest. And of course Fr. Michel has obeyed, removing any suggestion that the Bishop fully supported his messages. To this point then there has been no formal diocesan inquiry into the messages and nothing is condemned. So read and watch and listen....until something new is instructed.....and always take into consideration all preformed prejudices, outside of Church protocol, when deciding for yourself.

 

That's the problem with Fr. Michel, he did not let his prophecies/visions be first under the direct authority/obedience/guidance of his Bishop. Instead, he directly proclaimed it to the world until he got caught by his bishop because someone gave him the internet links to his messages and videos. He followed his self-will first rather than trust his superiors.

This is in stark contrast to what St. Faustina did, she gave her visions/revelations to her confessor and proper Church authorities first...

 

"Fr. Michel’s statement that he “tells everything” to the Bishop does not, therefore, mean that the Bishop endorses any or all of Fr. Michel’s messages."

I copied and pasted this from Countdown to the Kingdom.
At some point, Fr. Michel made that statement. I don't see how anyone can dispute that.

 

Seriously - “he got caught?”
You can’t be serious. This is a joke right?

 

So what do you disagree with and what is your basis in fact? Have you had conclusive discussions with Fr. Michel to challenge him? Where has he ever said he has "submitted the messages to the Bishop for discernment and approval"? That is very formal and outside of basic informing of why Fr. M is doing what he's doing which, again is supported by the Bishop. Looks more like the Bishop simply dismissed the messages and/or background for Fr. M's actions, whether he doubted them or not, until he was personally questioned. I've never known of any Bishop who simply gave permission for such major projects in his diocese w/o knowing why. And under what circumstances would this Bishop ever approve of what was included in these messages no matter who was the messenger or even if they were formally submitted for approval when he doesn't believe in what is contained within them? I've not seen anyone question that prejudice of the Bishop, a priori, that is the basis for his disapproval of the messages. Simply because of the subjects within them he would never offer any kind of neutral examination. There is no new information that the Bishop does not continue to support Fr. Michel and continuing to fulfill what he was requested to do that came out of those messages.

 

And?

 

See...I am still lost. Father Michael said he has had visions or dreams. There is nothing wrong with that.

I don’t think he has told people what to do. AKA Brother John the Servant of God. I don’t think he has given a specific date for any of his prophecies like Charlie.

That’s were I’m a little confused. He is not allowed to tell his visions.

He is not talking to God in front of people or telling people on this date or that date...God will talk to me and everyone can be there.

Again, I am probably the biggest antagonist on this site... including Garanbandal and Medjagorje.

I have went against the 5 or 6 so called visions or visionary’s that MOG has promoted over the years.

But this one...I still don’t know what he has done wrong.

 

If I may, fallen saint, I understand your cognitive dissonance, for I too feel the visceral pain.

The onus of the controversy centers between the lack of congruence between what Father Michel and what Bishop Gilles Lemay have said publicly about Father Michel's visions and locutions.

Father Michel has said in many places, specifically in the website Countdown to the Kingdom, and in Christine Watkin's book, the Warning, that, " Father Michel Rodrigue receives full support of his bishop, and all of his locutions and visions are submitted to his local ordinary for approval." (See Byron's post #345, page 18.)

Then, in the website, Catholic Answers, where the Bishp's email appears, one of the members, howmanyds, said that:

"Back to the original topic, I received a response from the bishop of Fr. Rodrigue’s diocese, who I emailed a week ago. I received permission to share his response, which pretty tidily answers the question of whether these revelations should be given attention:"

In this email message, posted on the Catholic Answers Website, (see it on page 7 of this thread, post 167) Bishop Lemay said that he ordered Father Michel to remove the statement about receiving full support from his bishop from the website Countdown to the Kingdom, (which Father Michel has done as instructed) because it is untrue. That Father Michel never submitted to him any of his locutions and visions for discernment and approval.

That is the onus of the controversy, what we know publicly. Other than following his Bishop's order to remove the information regarding support from his bishop from the website, Countdown to the Kingdom.; what Bishop Lemay said privately to Father Michel, remains between them, private.

I like Father Michele's presentation, what others may see as boastful or bombastic, I see as a man who is making fun of his lack of command of the English language while attempting to tell his audience his horrible ( I have no other word for this) visions that shake the core of the viewer.

Personally, I hope his apocalyptical visions are wrong, because the way we are today, it seems plausible, and it scares me, other seers like Luz Maria, who has been telling us for years many of the horrible visions and locutions she has had, some resemble Father Michel's.

Gasp!

But these are private revelations, and we are asked to discern and consider them respectfully, not to believe them outright, until such time as the Church steps in and makes a decision on their veracity.

Blessings

 

Sadly we found out through Mark Mallet's Countdown to the Kingdom. Mark mallett also put people on to Charlie Johnston. Honestly I am done with apocalyptic prophets! St John of the Cross says to stay far away from such. I think he is right. Look at all this controversy and misunderstanding. Only one entity profits from that and it is not the Holy Spirit. God bless all here!

 

What he advises spiritually is perfectly in line with age old teachings of the Church. We should all be consecrated to the Immsculate Heart. You are doing the right thing. I put an image of the Holy Family on my front door! I dont intend to remove it. It's a good idea.
But I am not going to read or listen anymore. I subscribe as every Catholic should to the Bishop's authority. As Fr Ripperger says, it doesnt matter if he is a "bad" bishop. Christ has willed the Bishop the authority and charism to make judgements. For now Fr Michel (who I find very likable and sincere) is off my radar.

 

What a great link. Thankyou.

 

Well said.

 

I agree AED.

 

everybody has the freedom to explore who they wish...For me, as a Carmelite, we study our saints and there is enough meat in those books to last me for a life time. Rereading story of a soul for the 4th time....calm reading for these times.

 

Totally agree.

 

Fr. Michel: Remember, throw your money, because it be will worthless when the Chastisements come!

 

What I find interesting in the case of Father Michel and his Bishop, is his bishop is either the most naïve bishop ever or he is trying to spin, for the sake of the naysayers now harassing him against Father Michel, or he is simply a really bad shepherd who has no discernment, which all of us can agree on that there are plenty of them in the world today. Who of us as parents, and I have 11 children, do not know them quite well?? Are we to believe Father Michel's bishop was that ignorant of who Father Michel was and has been since he was a child? My gosh folks, he started having conversations with God at 2 years old and was told at 3 years old he would be a priest! He is now a faithful priest, founder of a monetary, the Abbot of it and an exorcist. You think his bishop did not know this and is just now learning that he has had communications with God since he was old enough to say Daddy and Mommy and speaking to his experiences throughout his life time? You think his bishop was, and apparently still is, clueless of this mystical man/priest? Not!! If there is one thing, we who have listened to him speak know, is he is not shy in speaking of his mysticalness, but rather in joy he has a way of speaking about what God has revealed to him that is both humble and innocent. We don't know anything about his bishop, accept he now takes a position of keeping him from speaking publically. As for me, it all comes down to the same ol naysayers that have come on the MoG forum to blast what they refuse to pray and discern, like a gun fighter in the western movies who want to shoot and ask questions later. Not a one person who comes on this forum knows Father Michel's bishop, yet they embrace his bishop whole heartedly as a wise man, while I am sure they have no problem criticizing other bishops whom they read about and have determined they are bad priests, bishops or cardinals. Yet their seemingly hatred toward a priest who has had messages from God since he was 2 years old...........well throw this guy out like a baby with his bath water, cause he dare speak of a warning, war, chastisements, and an era of peace etc... they don't want to believe in either. I get it. It's been happening on the MoG for nearly a decade I have been on this forum, its just gotten worse now, as this forum has gotten more well visited and more naysayers joining in. Yet, like all of God's true prophet's they can't find one thing Father Michel has said contrary to scripture or church teaching, but that doesn't matter in their limited discernment.