The ERRORS of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX w/ John Salza & Robert Sungenis Very long but superb discussion on the SSPX and the errors of Archbishop Lefebvre - not only errors but he also held heretical views - well worth a watch I learnt a great deal from these two great Catholics, John Salza and Robert Sungenis.
I haven't had time to look at this, but I just wish to ensure nobody makes the mistake I did. I used to think that Archbishop Lefebvre voted in favour of contraception on the Pontifical Commission for Birth Control, in the sixties. I was going to post this, but decided to check the facts. In fact, it was his cousin, Cardinal Jean-Charles Lefebvre, who was on the commission. [Looking this up, I discovered what a great debt is owed to Fr John C. Ford, Dr Germain Grisez and Karol Cardinal Wojtyla at this time, whose advice was most influential in Pope Paul's decision].
I echo that. A huge eye opener. I have maintained that the SSPX has their own hierarchy, and now I see I was correct. Thank you for posting.
Padre Pio showed the way when silenced by his superiors under instruction from the Vatican. It was a difficult cross for him to bear, but he obeyed and submitted to the decree. The superior of the monastery read to Padre Pio the decree and the saintly friar responded, “God's will be done … The will of the superiors is the will of God.” The will of the superiors is the will of God.
Sungenis has written an enormous set of volumes, "Galileo Was Wrong, The Church Was Right: The Case For Geocentrism". I have read the first volume, the Scientific Case (about 1,000 pages!). It is well written, well researched and well-argued and replete with annotations and references. He makes a convincing case. If one 'googles' him, one will be first met with a serious of hateful libels against the man. This is what happens a Catholic who speaks 'unacceptable' truths.
For the sake of the truth, I will tell you what I found when I researched the first "heresy of Lefebvre" mentioned by John Salza. In the video, John Salza claims that Archbishop Lefebvre taught a heresy (timestamp 27:00). The example given is that Lefebvre stated that "jurisdiction comes from the people." Salza's source for this is a letter written by Lefebvre in 1991. Here is a link to that letter: http://www.archbishoplefebvre.com/bishop-mayer-replacement.html In that letter, Lefebvre is discussing the organization that is now known as the "Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney," which is, since 2002, a "canonically-regular" personal prelature of the Roman Catholic Church. You can read the history of that organization by going to the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Apostolic_Administration_of_Saint_John_Mary_Vianney So, the issue of "jurisdiction" that Lefebvre was referring to in that letter, far from being "a heresy" is actually a legitimate (canonically-approved) option for establishing the "jurisdiction" of a bishop/prelate (within a personal prelature) over his subjects. In a "personal prelature" the people choose to be under the jurisdiction of that particular bishop/prelate. This is what Lefebvre was referring to when he stated that "jurisdiction comes from the people." It is also the jurisdictional model for the so-called "Anglican Ordinariate" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Ordinariate_of_the_Chair_of_Saint_Peter). So clearly, it is not "a heresy." For further reading see the following link: https://prelaturaspersonales.org/territorial-and-personal-jurisdictions-ordinariates/ This should provide you with enough information to judge the veracity of what John Salza has to say on such matters. Further, I challenge you to find an official statement from any Vatican official claiming that Lefebvre was ever guilty of teaching heresy. You will not find it.
This really means something. Because St Pio was given supernatural gifts, almost as if he was in constant communication with Heaven. I'm sure when he was being obedient he had angels around him confirming his actions, which I imagine he saw. Of course this is speculation on my part. God bless!
I think obedience is the crucial quality. Apart from my error mentioned above of mistakenly thinking that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre had favoured the approval of contraception, when it was his cousin of the same name, I always thought of him as quite orthodox, but he was certainly not obedient and perhaps that contributed to a 'digging in the heels' of the other side and might have even facilitated the extremists like Pope Francis to gain the upper hand. It certainly put Pope John Paul II in a terrible dilemma. I'll have to find time to watch the video as it comes well-recommended here.
Yes. Disobedience is the sticker. But did you ever follow his life story? If it was not for disobedience I would at once consider him a saint. This gives me pause. I am inclined to refrain from judging him because of this. His Apostolic Life was very,very, very extraordinary...and what have I ever done for the Church compared to himself? mmm. I often wonder...you never know. I admire him in many ways, very,very much. Even in his disobedience , pretty well all he said was heavily Prophetic and very,very wise...
You know when I was very young we used to have the SSPX saying the Old Mass in our house every Sunday for the longest time. People from all over the city came to hear it. I had the chance to meet several of the priests. One of whom I had the impression was a saint and I know there are many people who considered him such. I would not into rush to Judgement on these things. If people really believe in their hearts they have to follow a certain path, well.. Look at the State of the Church under Our Present Holy Father. I would not be too quick to judge.
This is another really good interview. I really appreciate all the time he has devoted to this subject.
Thank you for posting this thread, I will watch this tomorrow. The more you know the less you know. I wish my parents could have watched this, we had the SSPX mass in our house every Sunday when I was a child.
We're living in unprecedented times. That would 'deceive even the Elect' and I, for one, am far from being one of them!
It will get totally worse in a few months time , if the rumours are true and the Latin Mass gets banned all over.
Worse than the banning of the Latin Mass are the rumours of the emasculation of the Novus Ordo. God forbid, literally God forbid. Nuclear annihilation would be preferable than a world without a valid Mass of any kind.
Agree! But is this the enemy's end game? Then the valid Mass will go underground. It really will be the laying of Jesus in the tomb.
I completely agree with you. When Elijah was in the cave , he did not hear God passing by in the whirlwind, nor did he see God passing by in the fire, or the earthquake, but God passed by in a whisper. And He then spoke to Elijah. We need to say many rosaries and listen to the Blessed Mother, and listen carefully as God whispers to us.
