Is President Zelensky a Christian?

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  1. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    I thought Zelensky was Jewish. But in the above video, he sounds almost like a Christian. Thoughts? His wife and children also are baptized. Maybe one of them had an impact on him somehow and led him to Christ? in the video above, he concludes with "Christ is Risen. Indeed He is Risen", a common Eastern Orthodox Acclamation on Easter.

    Around 1 Min: "And the Truth, people, the Lord and the Holy Heavenly Light (Orthodox Christian concept) are on our side"

    "The Power of the Patron Saint of the Human Race - Oranta - She is above me. She is above us all. The unshakeable Pillar of the Church of Christ, the unshakeable wall of the main stronghold, Kyiv".


    I didn't know Who President Zelensky in St. Sophia Cathedral was referring to when he said "Oranta" (Meaning, "The One Who Prays") so I looked it up.

    "The Virgin Orans, Oranta (The Great Panagia) (Ukrainian: Оранта) is a well-known Orthodox Christian depiction of the Virgin Mary in prayer with extended arms. It is stored in the Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv in Ukraine. The 6-meter-high mosaic is located in the vault of the chancel. It is stored in the Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv in Ukraine." Orans of Kyiv - Wikipedia

    Top Comment in the YouTube Link: "Most beautiful prayer I've ever heard a world leader pray."

    Thoughts? God Bless.
     
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    Zelensky is trying to garner western support. That is all. He’s as Christian/ Orthodox/ Catholic as … the current pope.
     
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    Zelensky is trying to garner western support. That is all.
    He’s as Christian/ Orthodox/ Catholic as … the current pope.


    Lots of Laughs out loud! :LOL::ROFLMAO:

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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Well, does the West love Christ that much, that they would be so impressed by it? And even Mother Mary, whom most Protestants don't respect. He called Her the Patron Saint of the Human Race, the Unshakeable Pillar of the Church of Christ. He concluded saying, Christ is Risen. Anyway, let's pray for him to receive Holy Baptism, and for Peace between Ukraine and Russia generally. God Bless.
     
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    I guess we have a Jewish president of Ukraine saying Christian sounding things for his western audience, and the baptized Russian Orthodox leader of Russia saying Christian things for his audience.
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    Lots of words, hard to say who to believe.

    But Putin IS a baptized Christian. Zelensky is … not. But he is pro decadent woke western ideology, to which Putin is diametrically opposed.
     
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    Wow, what a quote from Putin! Do you know the source of this quote?
     
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    It I hard to read the hearts of men.

    I love people who constantly think well of others, who try to think the best of everyone. St Therese of Liseaux used to say how beautiful it is to say good things about others, to always have the kind word.

    Jesus did warn us however that,

    Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will. enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who. does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    Matthew 7:21

    So that for instance during the Spanish Inquistion ,when clerics and others were torturing unfortunate Jews and others and burning them alive they were not doing the will of the Father. For God is Love and those who follow the Path of the Lord follow the Path of Love.

    President Putin has good eyes and sees the decadence and New Paganism of the West and in this he is right. But is the way to save the West, to save Russia and the World the path of war? Is that what Jesus truly wants? He is the Prince of Peace. I think viewing Putin as some kind of Good Knight riding on a white horse to save us all is a terrible mistake. Russia herself for instance is far from perfect. Perhaps better to munt a white horse to save Russia first might be a good idea.

    But no, I don't think God is calling Russia to war. I don't think the Prince of Peace is calling any of us to war.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    If Russia wants to "save the West", by all means let it send Missionaries and Priests - not airplanes and bombs - to do that, bringing the Gospel and the Sacraments, Eucharistic Reverence, Marian Devotion etc. Orthodox Christianity is like 99% Catholic. They just have a few mistakes that could easily be corrected if they would re-unite with the Church, like on Filioque, Immaculate Conception etc; but if someone, from Protestantism, for e.g., goes to Orthodoxy, that would definitely be a big step up in the right direction; far more if it was from Atheism/Agnosticism'Liberalism or even Judaism/Islamism.

    I agree with Padraig. If Putin feels a genuine call to spread Orthodox Christianity to the West, then let his government do that by all means; but not in the way he is doing now, attacking and invading Ukraine, and threatening various western countries with annihilation or destruction. The reality is that Macron and others felt NATO was almost unnecessary in the world today until Russia's invasion forced him and other NATO members to feel otherwise.

    God Bless.
     
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    I agree with all except for what I've placed in bold.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    I found the entire speech online here. Posting it below and highlighting some portions that stood out for me.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/easter-message-from-president-of-volodymyr-zelensky.html

    Easter message from President Volodymyr Zelensky
    By Kyiv Post.
    Published April 24 at 9:59 am
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    Great people of great Ukraine!

    Today is a great holiday. And I’m in a great place. The Great St. Sophia Cathedral. In the cathedral, which was founded a thousand years ago, on the field of the sacred battle where the army of Kyivan Rus’-Ukraine defeated the Pechenegs. In the cathedral, which was not destroyed by the Horde invasion or the Nazi occupation, which withstood in spite of everything!

    Today we all believe in a new victory for Ukraine. And we are all convinced that we will not be destroyed by any horde or evil.

    We are enduring dark times. And on this bright day, most of us are not in bright clothes. But we are fighting for a bright idea. On the bright side. And the truth, people, the Lord and the holy heavenly light are on our side. The power of the patron saint of the human race – Oranta. She is above me. She is above us all.

    The unshakable pillar of the Church of Christ, the unbreakable wall of the main stronghold – Kyiv, the Unbreakable Wall of the State. As long as there is Oranta, there is Sophia, and Kyiv stands with her, and the whole of Ukraine stands with them!

    Above the image of Oranta are the words from the Psalms: “God dwells in that city; it cannot be destroyed. From the very break of day, God will protect it.” On this Great Day, we all believe that our dawn is coming soon.

    Oranta in Latin means “one who prays”. We have all been praying for the last two months. And in the Resurrection of Christ, which symbolizes the great victory of life over death, each of us asks the Lord for one thing. And speaks the same words to heaven. The words of a great and united prayer.

    Great and Only God! Save our Ukraine!
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Protect those who protect us! Heaven, protect those who defend the native land. Strengthen the will of those who protect us from captivity. Save those who save Ukraine. These are our military, national guards, border guards, our territorial defense, intelligence. These and all our other warriors of light.

    Help those who help them. These are volunteers and all people who care. From Ukraine and around the world. Give strength to all who give all their strength. May everyone who seeks always find. May everyone who is on the road always overcome it. And may everyone who does everything possible to save Ukraine never lose faith that everything is possible.

    Save the lives of those who save the lives of others. These are all our medics. Our firefighters, rescuers, sappers. May the victory of life be a symbol not only of this holiday. May life win the battle against death every day.

    Take care of our mothers. Give endurance to those who are waiting for a son or daughter from the war. Give fortitude to those who, unfortunately, have lost their children on the frontline. Help those who have lost their children in peaceful cities and villages where Russia has brought death to overcome unbearable pain.

    And give good health to all our mothers and all our grandmothers for many more years. To see their loved ones. To see peace and victory. To see justice. And the happy old age that the invaders are trying to steal from them. And instead of knitting scarves and sweaters for their grandchildren, today they weave camouflage nets. So give many years of peaceful life to them.

    And to our fathers. And to our grandfathers. Who once told their grandchildren about the war, and today send grandchildren to the war. Our fathers and our grandfathers built this country. Today they see it being destroyed. Let them see how our land will be liberated and rebuilt. And give us strength to do it.

    Take care of all our children. Give every boy and every girl a happy youth, maturity and old age, which will allow at least a little to get rid of the memories of their terrible childhood during the war. Not children’s, scary games that they were forced to play. Hide and seek, but in the basement, from the bombs. Running, but from the gunshots. Travel, but because of the loss of home, fleeing the war.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Save all Ukrainians! We did not attack anyone, so give us protection. We have never destroyed other nations, so do not let anyone destroy us. We did not seize other people’s lands, so do not let anyone seize ours.

    Save Ukraine! Its right and left banks – at a time when we are being viciously beaten on both right and left cheeks. At the end of winter, spring did not come to us. Severe cold was brought to our house. At dawn we were brought opaque darkness.


    We believe, God, that in your judgment you will not forget them all. All those who have forgotten all your commandments.

    You will not forget about Bucha, Irpin, Borodyanka, Hostomel. All those who survived brutal crimes. Give them and all our land human happiness.

    You will not forget about Chernihiv, Mykolaiv, Kherson, Sumy, Kharkiv, Izyum, Kramatorsk and Volnovakha, Popasna. All other towns and villages that hear the terrible explosions. Let them and all of us hear the fireworks of victory.

    You will not forget about Mariupol and its heroic defenders. One can destroy the walls, but can’t destroy the foundation on which the morale stands. The morale of our warriors. The morale of the whole country.


    We see terrible scenes of war. Let us see a happy picture of peace.

    We are going through very difficult ordeals. Let us reach a just end on this path – the beginning of a happy life and prosperity of Ukraine!

    Our hearts are full of fierce fury. Our souls are full of fierce hatred for the invaders and all that they have done. Don’t let fury destroy us from within. Turn it into our accomplishments from the outside. Turn it into a force of good to defeat the forces of evil.

    Save us from strife and division. Don’t let us lose unity.

    Strengthen our will and our spirit. Don’t let us lose ourselves. Don’t let us lose our longing for freedom. Therefore, do not let us lose our zeal for a righteous struggle. Do not let us lose hope of victory and self-esteem, and therefore our freedom. And therefore Ukraine. And therefore faith.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Dear Ukrainians!

    Last year we celebrated Easter at home because of the pandemic. This year we also celebrate the Resurrection of Christ not as we used to. Because of another virus. Because of the plague called war.

    Both last year’s and the current threat are united by one thing – nothing can defeat Ukraine.


    The great holiday today gives us great hope and unwavering faith that light will overcome darkness, good will overcome evil, life will overcome death, and therefore Ukraine will surely win!

    And on Easter, we ask God for great grace to make our great dream come true – this is another great day – the day when great peace will come to Ukraine. And with it – eternal harmony and prosperity.

    With faith and confidence in this – I congratulate all of you on Easter.

    Take care of yourselves. Take care of your loved ones. Take care of Ukraine!

    Christ is Risen!

    He is Risen Indeed."

    End of Speech. God Bless.
     
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    IF The Western Support of ARMS & AMMO, INTEL, and $$$ given to Zelenskyy ceased - this almost never ending war .. which Z wants fought to the last Ukrainian --- and its horrific fallout to the rest of the world... would be better
    The collective West cannot defeat Russia/China..
    This War? Looks like the prelude to The Big One..
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    And have you forgotten President Raegan's and Pope St. John Paul II's Peace through Strength, which with God's Grace, and Our Lady's Help, was what brought down the Evil Empire in the first place? Even Gorbachev credited Pope St. John Paul II with the Fall of the Soviet Union, and for us Catholics, that means that fall was a GOOD THING, not a bad thing, because the Saintly Pope whole-heartedly supported it/brought it about.

    It is Peace through Strength that will deter China from aggressing against Taiwan and also my own country India and nothing else. I want Peace with all, but some countries will not be peaceful, unless they see there is no way whatsoever they can win a War. Communist China is like that.

    China is no doubt very closely observing what happens in Ukraine, and may replicate it in Taiwan if Ukraine loses. If Ukraine wins, it mostly won't.

    Russia began with some 150,000 Troops. It has lost 70,000-80,000 Troops in 6 Months, about half. Nobody gave the Ukrainians a chance originally.

    " From: https://www.news18.com/news/world/w...ops-since-invasion-pentagon-says-5715649.html

    "War in Ukraine: Russia Lost 70,000-80,000 Troops Since Invasion, Pentagon Says

    The Russian people, however, continue to support the war on Ukraine as Putin’s government has been able to hide the real numbers from the public

    APentagon official earlier this week confirmed that Russia lost 70,000 to 80,000 troops since the onset of the war on Ukraine.

    Russian president Vladimir Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine in February. The US and its European allies have called it an invasion.

    The Pentagon official, Colin Kahl, the undersecretary of defence for personnel, during a press briefing said the exact figures may vary but the figures shared with the press is ‘in the ballpark’.

    Earlier on Sunday, the general staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces claimed that 42,200 soldiers were killed until now.

    A report by the Military Times suggests that the high number of military losses means that the Russian army is persevering with the Ukrainian invasion while suffering heavy losses.

    The Russian military faces issues like failed logistics, supply systems and as well as bombing on civilian populations and residential areas.

    The war is also now concentrated in the eastern region of Ukraine. Kahl, while addressing the press, highlighted that more than 40 million Ukrainians are fighting for the survival of their country.

    “There’s a lot of fog in war but, you know, I think it’s safe to suggest that the Russians have probably taken 70,000 or 80,000 casualties in less than six months,” Kahl was quoted as saying by the Military Times.

    Kahl said this number includes both killed in action and also those who were wounded. Ukrainian officials do not reveal to the media how much losses they have incurred but an aide to Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky said that the losses could reach up to 200 personnel per day.

    Kahl said the losses were incremental given the kind of effort Putin’s forces have put behind their objective to oust Zelensky from Ukraine and plant a Kremlin-backed government there.

    The Russian forces have also faced resistance from the Ukrainian forces due to the western weapons and shipments that have arrived from the US. The US will be sending its 18th shipment of arms and military support since the onset of war in Ukraine.

    The Biden administration newest package to Ukraine worth $1 billion. The package includes more ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS; 75,000 rounds of 155 millimetre artillery ammunition; 20 mortar systems and 20,000 rounds of mortar ammunition; and munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems, or NASAMS, the Military Times reported.
     
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    There's 2 narratives floating around the world re: Zelenskyy..

    One presents this AntiChristian Globalist Clownlike pawn of the collective West as if he's a Christian Saint.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    He is probably a flawed man, just like Donald Trump. That doesn't mean he can't do good things, for his country, like Trump did. If someone says he believes, Christ is Risen, and that Mother Mary, is the unconquerable Pillar of the Church, and Patron Saint of us all, I believe him.

    Zelensky could have run away to the west and enjoyed endless parties if he'd wanted to. He was offered that, but he declined. He didn't run away to save his life, as the Lord said was the mark of a true shepherd/leader. Instead, he stayed behind, to suffer with his people, and defend his country.

    He has earned my respect for that. God Bless.
     
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    He's doing horrible things for the people of Ukraine (mostly Christians), who are being sent to their inhumane and foolish ("Fight to the last Ukrainian!") deaths - rather than surrender..
     
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