In Sermon, Patriarch Kirill links Ukraine War with Gay Pride Parades.

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  1. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    This goes to show that, if e.g. in 2024, the US gets a strong Anti-Woke President like De Santis, the Ukraine War will probably end shortly thereafter. While I do believe Russia was wrong to invade, yet in their own mind they think that they are justified in invading at least in part because of liberal LGBT values like Pride Parades etc the West under Biden is promoting in Ukraine and elsewhere etc. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/in-...nks-ukraine-war-with-gay-pride-parade-2812228

    1. "In Sermon, Russian Church Leader Kirill Links Ukraine War With Gay Pride Parade
    Kirill said in Sunday sermon that countries which do not accept western values are not considered part of the world.

    Kirill, the Patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church, has blamed liberal western values, particularly gay pride parades, for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The remarks justifying Ukraine's invasion were made in Sunday sermon.

    Kirill is a longtime ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and has so far refrained from criticising the Russian invasion.

    "We have entered into a struggle that has not a physical, but a metaphysical significance," he said during the Forgiveness Sunday sermon.

    Kirill then focused his attention on the situation in Donbas, the breakaway eastern region of Ukraine held since 2014 by pro-Russia separatist groups. He echoed Putin's unfounded claims that Ukraine was engaged in the "extermination" of Russian loyalists in Donbas.

    "For eight years there have been attempts to destroy what exists in Donbas. And in Donbas there is a rejection, a fundamental rejection of the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim world power," Kirill said.

    He added that countries which do not accept these values are not considered part of the world. These countries are offered a "test of loyalty" by demands that they hold gay parades, said the leader of the Russian church.

    "Pride parades are designed to demonstrate that sin is one variation of human behaviour. That's why in order to join the club of those countries, you have to have a gay pride parade," said Kirill.

    "If humanity accepts that sin is not a violation of God's law, if humanity accepts that sin is a variation of human behavior, the human civilisation will end there," he added."
     
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    so gay parades are a sort of satanic pact? that a country makes (to whom?) to show they accept all the terms and conditions ? terrible if true, these events are saturnali-co_O
     
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    While everything kirill said is true, this in no way justifies the war. We don't go to war and kill innocent people in order to upholdour values. Putin has no values. Putin may use these supposed values of his against the West because he knows it gains support from the Christian right of western societies which in turn makes the war less popular in countries like the US. He's trying to appeal to "us" in other words. Careful as the devil will play all sides.
     
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    What is war about if not upholding values?
     
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    You can't committ one grave sin to stop another grave sin. Killing innocent people is never justified. Only self defense of a nation under attack is justifiable war. Russia was not attacked. Russia invaded. Putin is a career murderer with no values
     
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    "Only self defense of a nation under attack is justifiable war."

    Like the Donbas defending itself?
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Agree.
     
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    If that's what u think putin is doing then u have fallen for lies. Putin invaded ukraine. He went after kiev first, and then different parts of Ukraine. I'm not saying ukraine is all good guys and russia bad guys. Far from it. But putin is not a good guy defending his country. He attacked. He's been a life long killer, who kills off his political opponents, his best allies are communist countries and Islamic terrorist states. If u think putin holds the moral high ground here you are way down the propaganda train
     
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    Hardly. I remember as a kid watching Iraq be bombed on live TV and reporters pretending like they were in danger when they were clearly miles from their own country attacking another for no reason. I lost all faith in journalism then.
     
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    That's a totally different story that doesn't change facts of Russias actions. What we know as facts.
    1. Russia invaded Ukraine, he didn't merely defend a region being attacked.

    2. Putins best alies are communist China, N Korea, Islamic terrosist states Iran and Syria. Hardly the marks of a Christian values leader.

    You can believe the West is going down an evil path and still believe russia is not a good guy. There doesn't have to be good vs evil in every war. Many times it's evil vs evil.
     
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    Yes, I realize that this isn't football.
     
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    I don't know how you can possibly think that Russia supports islamic terrorism in Syria.
     
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    He supports Assad. Nothing more needs to be said
     
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    Only if you believe the fairy tales the CIA tells about him.
     
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    Assad is a dictator but a secular one. He fought against the Islamic state and also gives Christians the right to worship.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    The Clear Solution is an Integrally Conservative Christian Candidate, especially Catholic Christian for US President. Since NATO is a US-dominated Alliance, it follows that the Ideology - whether Atheistic and Woke, i.e. pro-abortion and pro sodomy LGBTQ, or Conservative and Christian i.e. Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Natural Marriage etc - that dominates the US will also dominate NATO. It remains that the Election of a Conservative Anti-Woke Catholic Christian President like De Santis will definitely help end the Ukraine War, because then the West will go back to promoting Christian Values. Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant is still possible. Hopefully, Putin will be gone by then, and someone like Navalny, a former Atheist, now Orthodox Christian, and thrown in Prison and politically persecuted by that Thug Putin, will be Russian President by then. Navalny is decent and has opposed the Ukraine invasion since the beginning.

    Here's ISIS Terrorism still going on in Africa which the Christian World could and should be stopping and would if stopping if it were united in this Fight.

    From: https://www.memri.org/jttm/isis-afr...c-republic-congo-nigeria-mozambique-targeting

    "ISIS videos in 2022 not only gloried in the killing of Christians and the destruction of their property and churches, but also in showing kidnapped Christian villagers being forcibly converted to Islam. Our adversary sees this campaign in ideological, Islamic supremacist terms most of all.

    African Christians are in a sense doubly stigmatized. Their suffering is minimized in the eyes of most of the West because they are both Africans and Christians, two categories that can be easily ignored by our enlightened elites more interested in promoting the latest fashionable progressive ideologies.

    But with talk of Africa becoming a higher priority for the U.S. as a result of intensifying great power competition, it is important to understand the full scope and ramifications of this bloody campaign. Certainly, the longer it continues, the greater possibility exists of the full ethnicization of these conflicts which could further fracture already stressed states and societies. What ISIS did to religious minorities in the Middle East it is seeking to do on a continent where Islam and Christianity are relatively equally matched. The potential result is pouring oil on a simmering fire.

    This comprehensive MEMRI report should be a wake-up call, not only about the military and security dimensions of the conflict in Africa that are too easily ignored, but about the ideological and cultural elements of this struggle. Only by understanding this crisis fully can we hope to address it successfully."
     
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    He's also a brutal murderer like putin. Let's not look to these as the leaders of Christian renewal, please...
     
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    I read somewhere that 3rd world nations are denied loans by 1st world countries - unless they agree to push abortion, the gay agenda etc.
     
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    That's true.
    It didn't just happen in Iraq.
    Western reporters were observed in other regions employing similar tactics. Always undertaken in regions whence the West wanted war/regime change/or an excuse to obliterate.
     
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    The voters in the US who elected the Bush dynasty --taken in by their spurious mask of pro life conservativism must pray hard for the discernment to never again be deceived like that.:(:cry:
     
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