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  1. BrianK

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    I’ve never heard this content regarding Pope St. John Paul II’s prophetic remarks at Fulda Germany in 1980:


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    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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    So if this true then the message that was released by the Vatican is nowhere near complete.
    Thanks Brian, I had not heard this either.
     
  4. Luan Ribeiro

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    Malachi Martin spoke in 1989 that revealing the secret would give the Russians a strategic advantage that the West could not resist I even considered that this represents a secret weapon in development or else some point in the Earth's crust that would have a key vulnerability for the Russians to act militarily causing a planetary catastrophe, using for example a strategic nuclear arsenal.
     
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    in fact, he quoted an excerpt from John Paul II's speech in Fulda in 1980, and added that the text had fundamental information for the defense of the West.
     
  6. PurpleFlower

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    This is very interesting... Is there any other source of JPII's speech in Fulda besides Malachi Martin quoting it?
     
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  7. BrianK

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    I’ve seen numerous mentions of St. JPII’s conversation in Fulda Germany, but never before with these particular details. This is also the first time I’ve seen the claim that MM was personally present for these remarks.


    That previously known excerpt has been posted here at MOG numerous times.

    https://fatima.org/pope-john-paul-ii-in-fulda-germany-1980/

    Pope John Paul II in Fulda, Germany (1980)
    Published Testimony:
    The October 1981 issue of the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens reported on a discussion that Pope John Paul II had with a select group of German Catholics, in November of 1980. The following is a verbatim report of the discussion:1

    Text of the Published Report
    The Holy Father was asked, “What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?”

    Pope John Paul II replied: “Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

    “On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired.”

    The Pope continued: “Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil.”

    At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God.”

    The Holy Father was then asked: “What is going to happen to the Church?”

    He answered: “We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ… With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary.”

    What it Means
    When Pope John Paul II spoke at Fulda, he had not yet been the victim of the 1981 assassination attempt. Speaking of the Third Secret of Fatima, he did not allude to anything resembling a future assassination attempt (which in 2000 the Vatican announced to be the subject of the final part of the Secret that Our Lady revealed at Fatima in 1917), but rather to imminent chastisement and worldwide tribulation.

    The Holy Father implied that evil is the force behind the elements contained in the Third Secret. The themes alluded to here by the Holy Father are consistent with those considered by leading Fatima experts to be the substance of the real Third Secret of Fatima, and are discussed in detail in the article “The Real Third Secret“.

    Notes:
    1. This report was originally published in German in the October 1981 issue of Stimme des Glaubens. It is given as a verbatim report of the meeting between His Holiness John Paul II and a select group of German Catholics at Fulda during his visit to Germany the previous November. The preface to the article states, “We know the name of the reporter and also that the document is authentic.” This translation was made by Rev. M. Crowdy for Approaches Magazine, edited by Mr. Hamish Fraser of Scotland. It was translated from the Italian magazine published in Rome by Father Francis Putti. Both magazines are worthy of our trust.


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  8. PurpleFlower

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    Ok, yes, I thought I recognized it...but this version supposedly from Malachi Martin is a bit different and more detailed. I wish we could know if it's authentic.
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...putins-unstoppable-nuclear-weapon/ar-AA16rzfM

    On Monday, Russia's state-owned media agency TASS reported that the country had developed its first set of "unstoppable" Poseidon nuclear-capable super torpedoes, which a pro-Vladimir Putin TV host said is capable of causing a tsunami that could drown the U.K. under a 500-meter tidal wave of radioactive seawater.
     
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    I just sent a message to Anthony asking where MM’s version of JPII’s Fulda quotes is from. I’ll let you know if I hear back from him.
     
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    Fascinating. Thanks for posting it.

    But with all due respect to our very holy and greatly missed Pope John Paul he was dead wrong here I’m sorry to say.

    When the Mother of God comes from Heaven and tells you to deliver a message to mankind you do it.

    You don’t think of the consequences or whether this will give some country an edge over other countries.

    You don’t think how this message will be received by the world or the media or any political leader.

    You obey the mandate from Heaven.

    When the Queen of Heaven speaks it’s God speaking through her.
     
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    I tend to agree with you on this.
     
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    Just think of Sister Agnes or the Garabandal girls.

    What terrible messages they had to convey!

    That many priests were on the road to perdition and leading millions to hell.

    That fire would fall on earth and wipe out large portions of mankind and the living would envy the dead!

    And yet they faithfully delivered their messages.

    Why?

    Because they completely, absolutely trusted the Mother of God and therefore God.

    They did it out of love and obedience.
     
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    Yes.
    If my memory serves me, Pope JPII
    did not mention the word Russia when he did the Consecration, out of fear of offending the Soviets.
     
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    Agree! The geopolitics both JXXIII and JPII "canceled" the message from heaven proved by heaven by an astounding public miracle. When the Queen of Heaven speaks the Church must listen! When asked why we were never told in 1960 what Our Lady meant for us to know and why Russia was never consecrated Malachi Martin said he had pondered this and prayed about it and came to the conclusion there simply wasn't enough grace to do it. That the prayer and sacrifice needed had not been sufficient to overcome the forces trying to prevent it. Knowing what we know know now about how long this rot had been eating at the vitals of the Church--going back two centuries--we can see the errors and weakness and compromises that were working insidiously to undermine Our Lady of Fatima's profound message to mankind. "If my requests are not met..." As Malachi Martin said so eloquently "we are now in the If...."
     
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    Yes. Thank you.
     
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    For evidence, Malachi Martin was saying the same exact thing in this video:


    He begins talking about Pope St. JP II's remarks at around the 16:25 mark (you can enable closed captions if it's hard to hear).
     
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    Thanks.

    Anthony just got back to me and forwarded the same link as the YouTube video you just posted.
     
  20. Don_D

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    Amazing how all this has and is unfolding.

     
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