Israel has every right to defend itself. Does it have the right to cause 2+ MN Civilians in Gaza, among whom are 1 MN children, to die, suffer or undergo forced displacement from their homes? Does it have the right to deprive Palestinians of basic needs like electricity, food and water? Is that Christian? Is it decent? Is it humane? Wonder what Pope St. John Paul II the Great, who condemned the Iraq War, would think of this. Certainly seems to violate the "jus in bello" or Just Conduct during War principle of War. Thoughts? Below documents that (1) Israel has dropped more bombs in Just 6 Days in Gaza than the US did in an Entire Year in Afghanistan (2) And for perspective, pls remember that Gaza area is around a mere 365 sq km; while Afghanistan is nearly 2000 times larger at 650k+; yet 60 times more, i.e. bombs in just 6 days than in an entire year, so this seems clearly disproportionate and indiscriminate (3) Human Rights Watch has recorded videos showing Israel dropped forbidden White Phosphorus Bombs on the gazan population, which is a War Crime. "A human rights watchdog group said Thursday that Israel’s military has used white phosphorus munitions in recent days in Gaza and Lebanon, weapons that can cause severe burns and are considered particularly dangerous for civilians due to their indiscriminate nature."https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...us-weapons-gaza-human-rights-group-rcna120272 "(Beirut, October 12, 2023) – Israel’s use of white phosphorus in military operations in Gaza and Lebanon puts civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries, Human Rights Watch said today in releasing a question and answer document on white phosphorus. Human Rights Watch verified videos taken in Lebanon and Gaza on October 10 and 11, 2023, respectively, showing multiple airbursts of artillery-fired white phosphorus over the Gaza City port and two rural locations along the Israel-Lebanon border, and interviewed two people who described an attack in Gaza." https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israel-is-preparing-to-commit-genocide/ "Israel is preparing to commit genocide Israel has already dropped more bombs on Gaza in six days than the U.S. dropped on Afghanistan in a single year. Now, the Israeli military is ordering over one million Palestinian civilians to flee their homes. This is genocide and ethnic cleansing. Israel is planning on carrying out a genocide in Gaza. The motions have been underway for days, as Israel has relentlessly bombed the Gaza Strip, one of the most densely populated places on earth. In six days, Israel has dropped 6,000 bombs on the besieged coastal enclave, which is home to 2.3 million Palestinians. Half of them are children. This falls just short of the highest number of bombs dropped by the US in a year in the war on Afghanistan. Over the past week, Israel has dropped internationally-prohibited white phosphorus on civilians in Gaza. It’s leveled entire residential neighborhoods. Wiped out families off the population registry, and killed more than 1,500 Palestinians. A third of the death toll are children. Palestinians have been screaming at the top of their lungs for days that Israel is carrying out a genocide on them. Israeli leaders have only supported those fears, calling Gazans “human animals” and pledging to “wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.” Today, everyone’s worst fears were confirmed. On Friday, October 13, Palestinians in Gaza woke up to the news that the Israeli army was demanding that the more than 1.1 million Palestinians who live in the northern Gaza Strip “evacuate” to the southern part of the strip in the span of 24 hours. Let that sink in. This is half of Gaza’s population. The northern part of Gaza includes Gaza City – the most densely populated area within the Gaza Strip. It also includes two of Gaza’s eight refugee camps, the Jabalia and al-Shati refugee camps. Both have been bombed over the past few days. Both are home to hundreds of thousands of refugees. They were made refugees by Israel, 75 years ago ..."
It is an extreme response to an extreme horrific inhuman attack. They want to get rid of Hamas. Unfortunately that is not an easy or clean operation. This is a bloodbath on all sides. Hamas is vile and demonic. Israelis are not Christian so Christian laws are not ingrained in them. Old Testament law is. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. At least they are warning them to leave. That is more than Hamas did for the poor Israelis and tourists they massacred. But I too feel horrified at the human suffering I am witnessing. But if we ( the world) do not repent this suffering will come to all of us.
I ask the following question not to antagonise - but to genuinely gain insight as to why I believe it might be so. Why are Americans (not just here on MOG) but seemingly generally (and I know there are exceptions) but generally; sympathetic to Israel? Please, if anyone responds to this - do so without emotion. For I genuinely do not understand and I would like to...
I think it is both all the bat shit crazy war monger establishment republican neo cons and the equally loony evangelicals who reject the catholic church and see the state of Israel as the fulfilment of the covenant. There is huge crossover between the two.
Its more than that. The Israel lobby is EXTREMELY powerful. Politicians treat them very carefully. But there are surprisingly many regular Americans who have had enough of their special status. I was shocked recently when friends said to us that Israel was basically the Evil Empire and all their sympathy was with Palestinians. This was long before this current horror.
The loony so called left are a different kettle of fish altogether. I would round them all up and drop them in Iran, afghanistan or some other sharia law slum and see how they get on. They are utterly clueless and deranged
Your friends are probably Catholics, I would guess. The Israel fervor is mainly Protestant (and mainly a Southern Baptist thing). I grew up in North Carolina and the 'support Israel' fervor there is really quite astonishing. I think whenever they read their bibles and see "Israel" they think it's the same as referring to the modern state; and, since Jesus was Jewish, they also see any attack on Israel as an attack on Christ, which is peak irony. Lindsey Graham has truly lost his mind:
One of my friends is madly pro Israel. I get a huge lecture supporting them everyday. I warned him to tone it down. People are getting very excited. Partisan and emotional about things at the moment. It is very. Very divisive.
I am in the middle of all this . Using my brain not my emotions. It's the God's chosen people argument. But I've read what past popes have said, it is the land that is Blessed and holy because of God. Not the people. They Plat on our emotions and the hatred I see coming out of people on both sides is too much. Another way to be divided as usual
Go to the 13:50 point in this video. The whole video is worth watching but my head is reeling at what was revealed in the few minutes from that point. HAMAS an Israeli (and by extension an American) construct? The depths of evil are being revealed. My heart goes out to all the victims:
Senator Graham unfortunately is a warmonger. I would not be surprised if the majority of his donors for re-election are "defense contractors." He was one of the senators who most encouraged and promoted the war in Ukraine. Lord, let your merciful love impact his heart! O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Two reasons in my opinion 1) Zionism, or the idea that Jews have the right to their ancient homeland. The corollary to this is the belief that the Jews are still the chosen people of God - hence the misnomer JudeoChristian. In the US, Protestant evangelicals, baptists and other religions that believe dispensational theology have also embraced Zionism as a core value. A lot of these people are conservative, patriotic, pro-life, etc. Most practicing Catholics in the US have bought into Zionism as well. 2) Money. The Jews control all of the mainstream media and many politicians. I don't believe any president has been elected in many decades without the support of leading US Jewish organizations.
Actually they are not. And they are in the medical field. Very well off. Lovely people but dead set against Israel.
Thanks, all. Nice to see there were 1+ MN Tweets, from all around the world, to End the Gaza Genocide. Good Use of Social Media! To spread awareness and hopefully help save lives. Pray and work to help save lives, and God bless all who do and stand up for the Cause of Innocent Lives. "1 MILLION TWEETS FOR PALESTINE!!! HUGE SHOUT OUT TO EVERYONE WHO DID THIS FOR PALESTINE!!!" From: https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1713175001371677057 I also saw this Statistic separately. Quite Telling. God have Mercy on us all.