Coming of Antichrist just around the corner?

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  1. BrianK

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    Desmond did the end times series on eschatology on EWTN and wrote the encyclopedic book on Catholic prophecy, “Trial, Tribulation and Triumph: Before, During, and After Antichrist.”

    He agrees we are at the beginning of the end. Not the end of the end.

    The beginning of the end times starts with the minor tribulation, Triumph of the Immaculate Heart and the Era of Peace.

    The end of the end times is the coming of the Antichrist the major chastisement and the Second Coming of Christ.

    No one knows how much time will pass between the Triumph and the Antichrist. It will be a minimum of one generation, but possibly many.

    So no, we’re not on the cusp of the coming of the Antichrist
     
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    I’ve talked about this at length with him in a small Facebook Catholic prophecy and eschatology group we both participated in. We also talk occasionally via Messenger as we have a lot in common in our health issues.
     
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    I like that he said, “there will be a few who are not open to the above.”
    He’s got that right!(y)
    Probably more than a few.
    I believe in this timeline.
     
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    I’m one of those who don’t believe in his timeline. Fr Gobbi makes more sense to me.
     
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    The problem with Desmond's interpretation is that there are two diametrically-opposed concepts of peace discussed in the Bible:

    1. John 14:27:

    27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid.​

    2. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5:

    1 But of the times and moments, brethren, you need not, that we should write to you; 2 For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall so come, as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, peace and security; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    Do you see how the peace of "the world" is contrasted with "the Peace of Jesus?" And how "they [the worldlings] will "say peace and security" but it will actually bring "destruction" upon them? These different "periods of peace" are overlapping to some extent.

    The true Period of Peace is not some kind of geo-political "world peace." The true Period of Peace will be granted only to those who do as described in John 14:21:

    21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them; he it is that loveth me. And he that loveth me, shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    The false peace of the Antichrist (whose followers say "peace and security") and bring destruction upon themselves will be those described in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11:

    10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.
    The doctrine of the false peace is the doctrine of wokism. It is the teaching of live-and-let-live. It is religious indifferentism. It is the One World Church of Nice. It is Jorge Bergoglio's Counterfeit Catholic Church.

    The doctrine of the true Peace, on the other hand, is the traditional Catholic dogmas that can never change. This is the Peace that the faithful Remnant will enjoy AT THE SAME TIME that the worldlings consummate their self-destruction.

    Figuratively, this end times story is described by Jesus as being "like the days of Noah." Noah saw the signs. He listened to God. He tried to warn his fellow men. He was ignored or scoffed at. And when the rains came, he and his family floated above the scoffers who drowned because of their own arrogance and stupidity.

    Same story is told in Wisdom chapter 3, for example:

    1 But the souls of the just are in the hand of God, and the torment of death shall not touch them. 2 In the sight of the unwise they seemed to die: and their departure was taken for misery: 3 And their going away from us, for utter destruction: but they are in peace. 4 And though in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope is full of immortality. 5 Afflicted in few things, in many they shall be well rewarded: because God hath tried them, and found them worthy of himself.

    6 As gold in the furnace he hath proved them, and as a victim of a holocaust he hath received them, and in time there shall be respect had to them. 7 The just shall shine, and shall run to and fro like sparks among the reeds. 8 They shall judge nations, and rule over people, and their Lord shall reign for ever. 9 They that trust in him, shall understand the truth: and they that are faithful in love shall rest in him: for grace and peace is to his elect. 10 But the wicked shall be punished according to their own devices: who have neglected the just, and have revolted from the Lord.
    Notice the contrast between the evil and the just. Most importantly notice the sequence of the events. There is not going to be a hippie-type period of "world peace" that is a "true peace." The apparent, false "world peace" is THE deception of the Antichrist and the currency or coin of the "false peace" is the rejection of the 10 Commandments or the consent to their rejection. We are living through this now. It is not way off in the future.

    The confirmation of all of this can also be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

    The Church's ultimate trial

    675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575

    676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,576 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.577

    677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.578 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.579 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.580

    573 Cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:12.
    574 Cf. Lk 21:12; Jn 15:19-20.
    575 Cf. 2 Th 2:4-12; I Th 5:2-3; 2 Jn 7; I Jn 2:1 8, 22.
    576 Cf. DS 3839.
    577 Pius XI, Divini Redemptoris, condemning the "false mysticism" of this "counterfeit of the redemption of the lowly"; cf. GS 20-21.
    578 Cf. Rev 19:1-9.
    579 Cf Rev 13:8; 20:7-10; 21:2-4.
    580 Cf. Rev 20:12 2 Pt 3:12-13.​

    Bergoglio’s Antichrist Doctrine

    The doctrine "telling people to put religious differences aside and be one human family," a peace between men without concern for the Commandments of God, can be found on the following website:
    https://www.humandevelopment.va/en/fratelli-tutti.html
     
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    The expression "Antichrist" is replete with meaning. It refers to someone who emerges as a final, I would think, opponent, opposite and antithesis of Jesus Christ. He will have powers of dark magic that will amaze and seduce many, but of course these powers will be minimal and limited compared to those of our King. In logic, such an aspirant is the one destined for the Final Battle. He will be the agent of the devil's last shot. There will be nothing after him only Christ Coming, Angelic Trumpets Blaring and the Final Judgement.
     
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    I have always held Desmond's position.

    I wonder though do the minor tribulation and greater tribulation mirror each other but differ only in scale?

    Minor or Lesser by the way does not do it justice it will feel like the end of the world -

    Could there be an anti-christ figure at the time of the lesser tribulation?

    Just in the same way THE Anti-Christ is associated with the Great Tribulation?

    As it is I look at Ireland and were are being run by anti-christs there are so many of them in todays world!!
     
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    In the quote above, Desmond uses the correct methodology. That method is described in the 3rd paragraph. I will restate his method concisely:

    'The New Testament and the Church's Tradition provide a list of events which must precede the Antichrist, and the end of the world and its time... the Antichrist could not come until [those events] have."
    Again, that method just quoted is correct. But "the list of events" he speaks of are veiled in the figurative language of parable, metaphor, simile and allegory. Nowhere in the Bible will you see a direct, literal description of those end time events. There is talk of wars and earthquakes and pestilences, of horsemen and locusts and armies, of changes in the stars and sun and moon.

    NONE of those should be taken literally as "signs of the end times." Why? Because, in the past periods, those things have happened many times. Those are metaphors, but most people interpret them literally. Why? Because most people are concerned about earthly things, not spiritual matters. Just like the Jews in Jesus's time were expecting a powerful Messiah to kick the Romans out of the Promised Land and implement a world wide earthly peace based on His rule.

    Rather, the clearest sign we are to look for has to do with spiritual events, as CCC 675-767 explains. Here is the first part again:

    675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575
    We are to be looking for a "supreme religious deception." The primary deceiver is "the Antichrist." The phrase "mystery of iniquity" points us to 2 Thessalonians 2:7. And just a few lines before that, St. Paul said this:

    Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
    This Antichrist "sitteth in the temple of God." The Church Fathers were split on what "the temple of God" referred to. Here St. Thomas Aquinas gives the proper answer:

    But in what temple? Was it not destroyed by the Romans? This is why some say that the Antichrist is from the tribe of Dan, whose tribe is not named among the other twelve in Revelation (Rev 7:5). Because of this, the Jews will accept him at first, and will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, and thus Daniel will be fulfilled: an abomination and an idol will be in the temple (Dan 9:27). But when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place, let him who reads understand(Matt 24:15).

    But some say that neither Jerusalem nor the temple will ever be rebuilt, but that their desolation will last until the final consummation. And even some Jews believe this. So this text is explained to mean in the temple of God, i.e., in the Church, since many from the church will accept him. Or according to Augustine, he sits in the temple of God, i.e., he rules and governs as though he himself with his messengers were the temple of God, as Christ is the temple with his adherents.
    So, according to St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, who are summarizing certain Church Fathers who preceded them, the Antichrist will be someone who "governs [the Roman Catholic Church] as though he himself and his messengers were the temple of God." Therefore, the Antichrist will be an Antipope who deceives Roman Catholics into following a teaching that contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ. Those who follow him will "go to perdition." This is the spiritual meaning of the end times. And it is confirmed by CCC 675-677.

    So, the above is what Desmond does not seem to understand. Bergoglio is fulfilling the prophecies precisely. He is an unlawfully-elected papal claimant (see www.antipope.com). He is promoting heresies left and right. He is calling for "world peace" based on secular humanistic principles. That is the precise description of the Antichrist according to the Apostolic Tradition, the Doctors of the Church, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
     
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    The guy spent 30 years researching and writing an encyclopedic summary of all of Catholic prophecy regarding eschatology, and he’s working on an updated version. He is a professor, to include the subject of eschatology at a major seminary. He did an entire series on prophecy and eschatology on EWTN.

    Yet you think he doesn’t understand this, but you do?

    lol!

    Bergoglio is a dolt, a raging fool. Just another antipope. The worst so far, but just an antipope. The opposition to him is public and building daily.

    The antichrist will be perfectly possessed and animated by Satan. His speech and demeanor will be impeccable. Even the elect will be deceived. There will not be a third of the bishops publicly opposing him.

    No, Bergoglio is a lot of things, but he ain’t the false profit, let alone the Antichrist.

    He may be a sad dress rehearsal of sorts, but he definitely ain’t it.
     
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    That is the Era of Peace.
     
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    Yes. I think this is true.
     
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    No matter what Desmond's credentials might be, no authorities are higher than the one's that I quoted: St. Paul, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Those authorities suggest that the Antichrist will be:

    1. an illegitimate leader, presumed to be a Pope, of the Roman Catholic Church.
    2. that illegitimate leader will profess doctrines contrary to what the Church had previously taught.

    So far, Bergoglio is batting a thousand. The show is just getting started.
     
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    He's no good. But not, I think the anti Christ, who will have a Jewish mother who is a Protitute. Will come from the Holy Land, be young Charismatic and apparently a great worker of miracles and wonders
     
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    Also he will have 12 Disciples almost as wicked as himself
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Also he comes at End of the World at the Major Tribulation before the End of the World . The Final Battle between good and evil Armageddon. Also his coming will be foretold in the Stars.

    But I can understand how people could get confused. This is the Minor Tribulation which is a foreshadowing of the Final Tribulation so we have events and things that mirror events at the End of Time only on a much smaller scale.

    So minor anti Christs. Yes. But not the biggy.

    I think the reason why the Vatican has an observatory in Arizona is to check the star signs. It does other things of course. But that I believe is its main purpose. To give warning.

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