“5 Reasons Christians Love Putin!!!”

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  1. BrianK

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    A thought provoking video - thanks!

    “Russia will come to glorify God the most, the West has made civilization progress, but without God and acts as if they are their own creator”.


    Our Lady at Medjugorje, 1981

    Has this amazing prophecy come true?

    Does it still lie in the future?

    Malachi Martin seemed to suggest “salvation will come from the East”. In what manner might it happen if this is indeed in the third secret?

    Sister Lucy in her famous 1957 interview affirmed that “Russia would be the instrument of chastisement of the West” for its rejection of God and His Law.

    How can we reconcile the two quotes above?
     
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    Excerpt from patheos article.

    In 1981 the Soviet Union was still very much an atheist state – at war with Christianity. The Pope was a real threat to the totalitarian regime. So much so that the Soviet Union planned to kill Pope John Paul II. The assassination attempt occurred on May 13, 1981, an anniversary date of the first appearance of the Virgin Mary at Fatima. One month after the attempt on the Pope’s life, the Virgin Mary began to appear at Medjugorje. Then six months after that the Virgin Mary spoke about the future of Russia. In a brief message to the visionaries, She said: “Russia will come to glorify God the most, the West has made civilization progress, but without God and acts as if they are their own creator”.

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/mysti...-and-prophecy-at-medjugorje-signs-of-secrets/
     
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    I can't get carried away by Putin, just as I can't get carried away by Trump.

    I can, however get carried away by the likes of padre pio and Mother Angelica.
     
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    I agree. But I do respect Putin in a way I cannot regarding any current western leaders, including Trump.
     
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    When I was in Turkey I was struck how collectivist they are. They love their Leader. I walked through a very large military cemetery. So many dead , especially from the 90's from fighting the Kurds. Huge Turkish flags everywhere. Very, very Patriotic, magnificent soldiers.

    We all of us have a deep human need for Leaders we can trust, especially in the Church. A deep, deep human loging.

    But I recall my father saying to me one time, that a man cannot be trusted to keep his vows to his wife you cannot trust him with much else.

    Putin of course betrayed his wife. I just don't trust a man who can't even keep his wedding vows
     
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    Your father was a wise man.
     
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    Perhaps you are right. But sometimes marriages breakdown irretrievably. Or his wife could have asked him to leave. I don't know due to ignorance of his situation?

    In those cases one should live separately being faithful to the marriage vows. Divorce should not be an option. Unless, one or both parties obtain an annulment. In my opinion. Of course sometimes couples get a civil divorce in the courts before obtaining an annulment. And I would say, without knowing the actual statistics, that most Catholics whose marriages breakdown irretrievably get divorced without obtaining an annulment.
     
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    Am I the only one who feels that the Church gives out annulments to capriciously these days?

    Check out some figures:

    The number of annulments granted annually in the United States soared from 338 in 1968, to 28,918 in 1974, to a peak of 63,933 in 1991. By 2004 the number had fallen to 46,330, and it fell even further, to 35,009, in 2007—a remarkable decline of 24 percent in three years.

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2011/04/28/annulment-nation/

    I suspect that the decline from 1991 to 2007 was driven by the number of people of marrying age - the bigger number years were the Boomers followed by Gen X. Since there are a lot more Boomers than Gen Xers it naturally follows that the total number of annulments would drop.

    That aside, I cannot sit idly and not address the "Christians love Putin" claim. I cannot fathom how anyone could love a man who started a war that has cost the lives of countless men, women, and children. War is always wrong. Full stop. Warmongers are evil. Full stop.

    I've not watched the video yet but I'm so firm in my conviction on the evil of those who bring death upon the innocent that I can say with confidence that nothing in that video would make me waver in said confidence.


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    I agree with you in your firm convictions about the evil of Putin.
     
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    russia has depressingly high rates of abortion and drug abuse.
    I dont know how much putin invested money and time of his job to fight that stuff, but russia wont become a splendorous christian country except big a worldwide miracle:(
     
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    Catholic moral theology teaches you can't do an evil thing for a good outcome. The ends do not justify the means. Of course Putin is not a practicing Catholic but it well may be that God is using him nonetheless.
     
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    Marriage is recognized by the State. If it is a valid marriage between two consenting Catholics, then it is a Sacrament. It follows that one must obtain a divorce according to the State, or else the State will still recognize the couple as married.
     
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    The Schismatic Orthodox permit multiple divorce. A sign they took the wrong path.
     
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    Just to address the annulment numbers... I wonder if the decline in number of annulments more reflects how many Catholics these days even feel it necessary to obtain them, rather than considering civil divorce good enough. Or how many Catholics were even married in the Church to begin with? Then there are the many cohabiting couples that never even get married at all...
     
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    Padre Pio and Mother Angelica are golden vessels.

    But sometimes God uses imperfect vessels. Who knows?

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    At least in America, the Church requires a completed civil divorce before one can apply for an annulment. No exceptions.
     
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    He didn’t “start” this war. The West and NATO started this war by their continual eastward expansion onto Russia’s doorstep and installing a puppet regime in Ukraine that was full of corruption and many real card carrying modern Nazis.

    We’ve been sold a bill of goods, thoroughly propagandized by the west regarding the origins of this conflict. The West is at fault, the evil guy here, not Russia.
     
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    I agree. And I distrust printed figures of unknown origin. The truth is very simple. There are only a few conditions under which an annulment can be granted. Marriages are always presumed to be valid.
     
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    I think with wars we need to examine where the money is coming from.
     
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