Confusing

It seems a little confusing, the pope displays care for the poor, but doesn't want to make abortion an issue. But I can't help but ask - doesn't the poorest of the poor reside in a womb? I also do not understand the homosexual dialog.

 

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise I'll have to run into the arms of MDM.

 

How much more time and weak statements will you give him Picadillo?When Pope Francis was elected many hoped he would rip into the Curia and sort out the mess, instead we get 'The Church has never been better'

 

Putin urges Russians to return to values of religion.

This IS CONFUSING.

 

Angels

Anyone here wish the pope would talk like this:

Putin urges Russians to return to values of Christianity
Vladimir Putin called on Russians to strengthen a new national identity based on conservative and traditional values such as the Orthodox church on Thursday, warning that the west was facing a moral crisis.

“Sovereignty, independence, the integrity of Russia – those are red lines that no one is allowed to cross,” the Russian president warned.

Mr Putin said Russia should avoid the example of European countries that were “going away from their roots”, by legalising gay marriage and excessive “political correctness”.

“A policy is being conducted of putting on the same level multi-child families and single-sex partnerships, belief in God and belief in Satan. The excesses of political correctness are leading to the point where people are talking seriously about registering parties whose goal is legalising the propaganda of paedophilia,” Mr Putin claimed.

“People in many European countries are ashamed, and are afraid of talking about their religious convictions. [Religious] holidays are being taken away or called something else, shamefully hiding the essence of the holiday,” the Russian president added.

“We need to respect the rights of minorities to be different, but the rights of the majority should not be in question,” he​

picadillo, 47 minutes ago

 

I think it is always important to go back and read what the Pope actually said rather than what the media thinks he might have meant.


There is a lot of pot stirring going on out there.

 

Three pieces of advice about Pope Francis’ interview in America

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/...rancis_interview_in_america.aspx#.UjtcAX_Yxbc

 

I have read all 12,000 words. I am beginning to wonder who is misunderstanding the Pope, we orthodox Catholics or the Modernists. Trying to put myself into the shoes of an independent observer, I would think that the latter can take a great deal of encouragement from this interview (which they definitely have). For misunderstandings to occur on this scale from a professional communicator, there has to have been a positive decision to be ambiguous and in that he has succeeded admirably.

 

There is indeed. I must say I am getting worried, though. I am definitely getting worried.

 

If I lived in Mexico or some other poor country, I would understand what Pope Francis is saying. However, I live in a affluent country who's bellies are full of food and sin's of moral degradation cry out to God for vengeance. What good does it do to preach "Jesus loves you", when this would only make them more comfortable while they remain in their sexual sins? Seems to me that Jesus had a balance of being the "church of nice" and the "fools, hypocrites, snakes and liers". America and Europe are not ignorant of God's laws, they could care less as they enjoy the passions of the flesh. I will continue to pray for them, but I will not make them comfortable in their sins.

 

Yeah, but it is stirring up the faithful Catholics, not the wayward catholics.

 

That is what worries me. The wayward ones are thrilled.

 

On another point. The Church defines both Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy. In one of my favorit books, The Soul of the Apostolate, by Jean-Baptiste Chautard recommended by Pope St. Pius X and his successor, Pope Benedict XV, Pope St. Pius X said, "If you desire that God should bless your apostolate and make it fruitful, undertake everything for His glory, saturate yourself and your devoted fellow-workers with the spirit of Jesus Christ, animating yourself and them with an intense interior life. To this end, I can offer you no better guide than The Soul of the Apostolate by Dom Chautard, Cistercian Abbot. I warmly recommend this book to you, as I value it very highly, and have myself made it my bedside book."

This book breaks out the differences between the corporal and spiritual works of mercy. It makes very clear that the higher of the order is spiritual works of mercy, because it deals with the persons soul, whereas corporal works of mercy deal with the persons bodily needs. Both are important for the Christian person to apply, but of the two the soul is of highest essensnce. Our Holy Father Francis, like most social justice faithul, rarely speak of a few of the spiritual works of mercy, especially when it comes to admonishing sinners and instructing the ignornant.

Corporal works of mercy are:

• To feed the hungry;
• To give drink to the thirsty;
• To clothe the naked;
• To harbour the harbourless;
• To visit the sick;
• To ransom the captive;
• To bury the dead.

The spiritualworks of mercy are:

• To instruct the ignorant;
• To counsel the doubtful;
• To admonish sinners;
• To bear wrongs patiently;
• To forgive offenceswillingly;
• To comfort the afflicted;
• To pray for the living and the dead.

 

I think Voris might be reacting here:

http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2013-09-19

 

This one is rather simple, I think. Putin is a cynical pragmatist and realizes that the native population of his country is declining at a precipitous rate while the immigrants and Muslims are growing. Religion means family values which means procreation is good. Russia needs more babies. It is that simple.

 

Agreed. The drive-by media wants to fashion this pope into something they want.

 

His manner of speaking and ambiguous words are causing trouble here. Truth is Truth and we need our Shepard to lead us strongly with clarity. But we're not getting that and it's causing problems, very worrisome to me

 

Well we were warned at Fatima that there would be a time of very serious confusion in the Church and there is no doubt at all that this time is come upon us..and with a vengeance.

I found it so interesting then that the title of this thread was, 'Confusion', since this is exactly..as far as I recall the word that the Mother of God used at Fatima regarding present events.

I must go back and check.

 

Our Lady keeps telling us to pray for our shepard's,...I am very concerned...
When the Son of Man returns,..will He find faith upon the earth? I feel as though
our faith is really being tried right now. We have an obligation to fidelity to the
Pope and I don't think anyone wants to say anything negative. We all need to
pray for perserverance in these trying times. Pray for the Holy Spirit to come
and renew the face of the earth...

 

I think the confusion you are refering to had to do with Garabandal,..there was a time of confusion experienced by the girls, which would repesent the coming confusion in the Church.
You can check with Glenn,,..he would know