Papal Puzzlery

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    I was really and praying about a recent bog post Mark Mallet posted over on his blog called, 'Papal Puzzlery', over on his blog. I would like to bring up a few points raised there for study and critique, because I find them cause for quite some concern.

    But firstly I would like to affirm my huge respect for Mark, his scholarship wisdom and personal holiness are a source of quite some ..well awe to me. :):) Not only this his Evangelical Vocation and the Sacrifices he has made for the Faith are jaw dropping

    If I had a choice of listening to something Mark wrote and something somebody like me wrote I would a million times choose Mark's view point on this Papacy. But I am emboldend in that my own particular views are shared by many Cardinals, Bishops, prominent theologians, scholars, commentators and millions and millions of struggling poor lay folk like myself.

    These comments are in no way to be taken in any as a personal attack on mark, who I Frankly, venerate. But I do think these things need to be said. If Mark himself happens to read any of this he is very welcome to respond and set me straight.

    First I reprint Mark's article in full.:):):):)
     
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    Papal Puzzlery
    Posted on April 23, 2018 by Mark


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    A comprehensive response to many questions directed my way regarding the turbulent pontificate of Pope Francis. I apologize that this is a bit lengthier than usual. But thankfully, it is answering several readers’ questions….



    FROM a reader:

    I pray for conversion and for the intentions of Pope Francis everyday. I am one who initially fell in love with the Holy Father when he was first elected, but over the years of his Pontificate, he has confused me and made me very concerned that his liberal Jesuit spirituality was almost goose-stepping with the left-leaning world view and liberal times. I am a Secular Franciscan so my profession binds me to obedience to him. But I must admit that he scares me… How do we know he is not an anti-pope? Is the media twisting his words? Are we to blindly follow and pray for him all the more? This is what I have been doing, but my heart is conflicted.


    FEAR AND CONFUSION

    That the Pope has left a trail of confusion is undeniable. It has become one of the main themes discussed in nearly every Catholic media outlet from EWTN to regional publications. As one commentator said a few years ago:
    Benedict XVI intimidated the media because his words were like brilliant crystal. His successor’s words, no different in essence from Benedict’s, are like a fog. The more comments he produces spontaneously, the more he risks making his faithful disciples seem like the men with shovels who follow the elephants at the circus.
    But should this “scare” us? If the fate of the Church rests upon a single man, then yes, it would be alarming. But it doesn’t. Rather, it is Jesus, not Peter, who is building His Church. What methods and materials the Lord chooses to use are His business.[1] But we already know that the Lord often uses the weak, the proud, the flippant… in a word, Peter.
    And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)
    [​IMG]To be certain, every scandal in the Church is like another threatening wave; every heresy and error that presents itself is like a rocky shoal or shallow sandbar upon which the Barque of Peter risks running aground. Recall the observation Cardinal Ratzinger made several years before the world learned who Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio (Pope Francis) was:
    Lord, Your Church often seems like a boat about to sink, a boat taking in water on every side. —Cardinal Ratzinger, March 24, 2005, Good Friday meditation on the Third Fall of Christ
    Yes, it seems that way. But Christ promises that hell will not “prevail” against it. That is, the Barque may be damaged, thwarted, delayed, misguided, listing, or taking on water; her captain and first officers may be asleep, lukewarm, or distracted. But she will never sink. That’s Christ’s [​IMG]promise. [2] In a dream of the Barque of Peter, St. John Bosco recounts:
    At times, a formidable ram splinters a gaping hole in its hull, but immediately, a breeze from the two columns [of the Virgin and the Eucharist] instantly seals the gash.Catholic Prophecy, Sean Patrick Bloomfield, P.58
    Confused? Sure. Scared? No. We should be in the space of faith.
    “Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?” He woke up, rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, “Quiet! Be still!”. The wind ceased and there was great calm. Then he asked them, “Why are you terrified? Do you not yet have faith?” (Mark 4:37-40)
     
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    LEFT-LEANING?

    You suggest that the Pope is “left-leaning.” It’s worth recalling that the Pharisees also thought Jesus was heterodox for the same reasons many oppose Francis. Why? Because Christ pushed mercy to its limits (see The Scandal of Mercy). Pope Francis likewise offends many “conservatives” for seemingly snubbing the letter of the law. And one can almost pinpoint the day that began…

    It was in an interview that appeared in America Magazine, a Jesuit publication. There, the new Pope shared his vision:
    The Church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise, even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow. —September 30th, 2013; americamagazine.org
    Notably, several of those battling the “culture of death” on the front lines were immediately offended. They had assumed that the Pope would applaud them for boldly asserting the truth about abortion, defence of the family, and traditional marriage. Instead, they felt they were being scolded for being “obsessed” with these issues.

    But the Pope was not suggesting in any way that these cultural matters were not significant. Rather, that they are not the heart of the [​IMG]Church’s mission, particularly at this hour. He went on to explain:
    I see clearly that the thing the church needs most today is the ability to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful; it needs nearness, proximity. I see the church as a field hospital after battle. It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars! You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else. Heal the wounds, heal the wounds…. And you have to start from the ground up. —Ibid.

    “No, no, no!” cried some. “We are still at war, and we are losing! We must reassert the doctrines that are under attack! What is wrong with this Pope? Is he a liberal??”

    But if I may be so bold, the problem with that response (which has nearly snowballed into a schism for some today) is that it reveals a heart that is not humbly listening or self-reflecting. The Pope did not say that doctrines were not important. Rather, he made a crucial observation about the culture wars: the orthodox teachings of the Church, firmly enunciated under St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI and widely known in the mainstream, have not pulled the world out its freefall into hedonistic paganism. That is, continuing to merely reassert doctrines isn’t working. What is needed, Francis insists, is a return to the “essentials”—what he would later call the kerygma.

    On the lips of the catechist the first proclamation must ring out over and over: “Jesus Christ loves you; he gave his life to save you; and now he is living at your side every day to enlighten, strengthen and free you.” This first proclamation is called “first” not because it exists at the beginning and can then be forgotten or replaced by other more important things. It is first in a qualitative sense because it is the principal proclamation, the one which we must hear again and again in different ways, the one which we must announce one way or another throughout the process of catechesis, at every level and moment.Evangelii Gaudium, n. 164

    You have to heal the wounds first. You have to stop the bleeding, the hopeless bleeding… “and then we can talk about everything else.” From this “more simple, profound and radiant” proclamation of the Good News, “then the moral consequences,” the doctrines, dogmas and liberating moral truths flow. Where, I ask, is Pope Francis suggesting that truth is no longer relevant or necessary?

    While not central to his pontificate in the way it was for his predecessors, Francis has on many occasions reasserted the dignity of life, the fallacies of “gender ideology,” the sanctity of marriage, and the moral teachings of the Catechism. He has also [​IMG]warned the faithful against laziness, complacency, unfaithfulness, gossiping, and consumerism—such as in his latest Apostolic Exhortation:
    Hedonism and consumerism can prove our downfall, for when we are obsessed with our own pleasure, we end up being all too concerned about ourselves and our rights, and we feel a desperate need for free time to enjoy ourselves. We will find it hard to feel and show any real concern for those in need, unless we are able to cultivate a certain simplicity of life, resisting the feverish demands of a consumer society, which leave us impoverished and unsatisfied, anxious to have it all now.Gaudete et Exultate, n. 108; vatican.va
    All that said, the Pope has no doubt made some decisions that may justify some head-scratching if not alarm: the contradictory and ambiguous language of Amoris Laetitia; the refusal to meet with certain Cardinals; the silence over the “dubia”; the transfer of authority over bishops to the Chinese government; explicit support for the questionable and controversial science of “global warming”; the seemingly inconsistent approach to clerical sex-offenders; the ongoing Vatican Bank controversies; the admittance of population control advocates to Vatican conferences, and so forth. These may not only come across as “goose-stepping” with the “liberal times” but seemingly play into the globalist’s agenda—as well as some dramatic papal prophecies, which I’ll address in a few moments. The point is that popes can and do make mistakes in their governance and relationships, which can leave us repeating:
    “Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?”… Then he asked them, “Why are you terrified? Do you not yet have faith?” (Mark 4:37-40)
    To answer your other question on whether the media “twists” his words, there is no doubt about that. For example, remember the “Who am I to judge?” fiasco? Well, even some of the Catholic media brutally messed that up with unfortunate consequences (see Who Am I to Judge? and Who Are You to Judge?).
     
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    BLIND OBEDIENCE?

    There is no necessity for “blind obedience” in the Catholic Church. Why? Because the truths revealed by Jesus Christ, taught to the Apostles, and faithfully handed on by their successors, are not hidden. Moreover, they are gloriously logical. I was introduced to a former militant atheist who recently became a Catholic solely because of the intellectual rationale of Church teachings and the radiant sheen of truth. He added, “The experiential is now following.” Moreover, with internet search engines and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the entire body of Church teaching is entirely accessible.

    And neither is this Tradition subject to the personal whims of the Pope “despite enjoying ‘supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary power in the Church’.” [3]
    The pope isn’t an absolute sovereign, whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary, the ministry of the pope is the guarantor of the obedience toward Christ and His word. —POPE BENEDICT XVI, Homily of May 8, 2005; San Diego Union-Tribune
    This is all to say The Papacy is Not One Pope. Peter speaks with one voice, and therefore, cannot contradict himself in the teachings of his predecessors, which come from Christ himself. We proceed anything but blind, guided as we are by the Spirit of truth who will…
    …guide you to all truth. (John 16:13)
    Your response is the right one when the Pope does seem to be contradicting his predecessors: to pray for him all the more. But it [​IMG]must be said emphatically; even though Pope Francis has been ambiguous at times, he has not changed a single letter of doctrine, even if he has muddied the waters of pastoral practice. But if that is indeed the case, there is a precedent for when such circumstances occur:
    And when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he clearly was wrong… I saw that they were not on the right road in line with the truth of the gospel. (Gal 2:11-14)
    Perhaps another problematic issue is coming to light: an unhealthy cult of personality that has surrounded the Pope where there really is a kind of “blind” adherence. Several decades of theologically precise popes and the ready access to all their statements have created a certain false assumption in some faithful that almost everything a pope utters is, therefore, pure gold. That’s simply not the case. A pope can most certainly be wrong when he pronounces on matters outside of “faith and morals,” such as science, medicine, sports, or the weather forecast.
    Popes have made and make mistakes and this is no surprise. Infallibility is reserved ex cathedra [“from the seat” of Peter, that is, proclamations of dogma based on Sacred Tradition]. No popes in the history of the Church have ever made ex cathedra errors.—Rev. Joseph Iannuzzi, Theologian, in a personal letter to me
     
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    IS HE AN ANTIPOPE?

    [​IMG]This question is likely getting to the heart of many concerns today, and it is a serious one. For there is presently a growing momentum among “ultra conservative” Catholics to find a reason to declare this papacy invalid.

    First, what is an antipope? By definition, it is anyone who unlawfully usurps the throne of Peter. In the case of Pope Francis, not a single Cardinal has even so much as hinted that the papal election of Jorge Bergoglio was invalid. By definition and canonical law, Francis is not an antipope.

    However, some Catholics are asserting that a little “mafia” forced Benedict XVI out of the papacy, and therefore, Francis is indeed an antipope. But as I noted in Barquing Up the Wrong Tree, the Emeritus Pope has categorically denied this on three occasions.
    That’s all complete nonsense. No, it’s actually a straightforward matter… no one has tried to blackmail me. If that had been attempted I would not have gone since you are not permitted to leave because you’re under pressure. It’s also not the case that I would have bartered or whatever. On the contrary, the moment had—thanks be to God—a sense of having overcome the difficulties and a mood of peace. A mood in which one really could confidently pass the reins over to the next person. —POPE BENEDICT XVI, Benedict XVI, Last Testament in His Own Words, with Peter Seewald; p. 24 (Bloomsbury Publishing)
    In addition, some have carelessly misread several prophecies, such as this one from Our Lady of Good Success regarding a future pope:
    He will be persecuted and imprisoned in the Vatican through the usurpation of the Pontifical States and through the malice, envy, and avarice of an earthly monarch. —Our Lady to Sr. Mariana de Jesus Torres; tfp.org
    Again, there is an assumption that evil members within the Curia are holding Benedict XVI against his will within the walls of the Vatican, which again, he has refuted.

    And then there is the prophecy of “two popes” of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, which states:[​IMG]
    I saw also the relationship between two popes … I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city of Rome. The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness… I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps.

    Aha! Two popes! Couldn’t the “concession” be that Communion to the divorced and remarried is being permitted now by some bishops through a flawed interpretation of Amoris Laetitia? The problem is that the proper context of the “relationship” between the two popes is not a personal or proximate one, as one editorialist has pointed out:
    …“the two popes” was not a relationship between two contemporaries, but two historical bookends, as it were, held apart by centuries: the pope who Christianized the most notable symbol of the pagan world, and the pope who would subsequently paganize the Catholic Church, thus reversing his sainted predecessor’s gains. —Steve Skojec, May 25th, 2016; onepeterfive.com
    Another prominent prophecy invoked against Pope Francis today is that of his namesake—St. Francis of Assisi. That Saint once predicted:
    The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will
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    increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Catholic Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death…. Sanctity of life will be held in derision, even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer. —
    Works of the Seraphic Father by R. Washbourne (1882), p.250

    The problem with applying this to our present pope is that the “destroyer” here is “not canonically elected.” This, therefore, cannot refer to Pope Francis. But his successor…?

    And then there is the prophecy from La Salette, France:
    Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. —seer, Melanie Calvat

    Does “Rome will lose the faith” mean that the Catholic Church will lose the faith? Jesus promised that this will not happen, that the gates of hell will not prevail against her. Could it mean, instead, that in times to come the city of Rome will have become so utterly pagan in belief and practice that it becomes the seat of Antichrist? Again, very possible, particularly if the Holy Father is forced to flee the Vatican, as the approved prophecy of Fatima suggests, and as Pius X saw earlier in a vision:

    What I have seen is terrifying! Will I be the one, or will it be a successor? What is certain is that the Pope will leave Rome and, in leaving the Vatican, he will have to pass over the dead bodies of his priests! —cf. ewtn.com

    Another interpretation suggests that internal apostasy among clerics and laity could so weaken the exercise of the Petrine [​IMG]charism such that even many Catholics will become vulnerable to the deceiving power of the Antichrist.

    The fact is that there is not a single approved prophecy in the body of Catholic mysticism that predicts the Pope will ipso facto become the very instrument of hell against the Church, as opposed to its rock… though, certainly, many a pope has failed in his witness to Christ in the most scandalous ways.

    The post-Pentecost Peter… is that same Peter who, for fear of the Jews, belied his Christian freedom (Galatians 2 11–14); he is at once a rock and a stumbling-block. And has it not been thus throughout the history of the Church that the Pope, the successor of Peter, has been at once Petra and Skandalon—both the rock of God and a stumbling block? —POPE BENEDICT XIV, from Das neue Volk Gottes, p. 80ff
     
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    A DIABOLICAL “PROPHECY”

    However, there is one false prophet whose infamous messages linger on, even after several bishops (most importantly her own) have condemned her writings. She went by the pseudonym of “Maria Divine Mercy.”

    Archbishop Diarmuid Martin wishes to state that these messages and alleged visions have no ecclesiastical approval and many of the texts are in contradiction with Catholic theology. —Statement on Maria Divine Mercy, Archdioces of Dublin, Ireland; dublindiocese.ie

    I have examined some of these messages and found them to be patently fraudulent and corrosive of true Christian faith as the Catholic Church teaches it. The alleged recipient of the messages operates anonymously and refuses to identify and present herself to local Church authority for a theological examination of the content of her messages. —Bishop Coleridge of Brisbane, Australia; cited by Bishop Richard. J. Malone of Buffalo; cf. mariadivinemercytrueorfalse.blogspot.ca

    Not long after that statement, it was revealed that “Maria Divine Mercy” is Mary McGovern-Carberry of Dublin, Ireland. She ran the publication relations firm, McGovernPR, and reportedly had ties to a cult leader and convicted sex offender known as “Little Pebble,” and also to a clairvoyant named Joe Coleman. Witnesses allegedly observed her using automatic writing, which is normally associated with demonic influence. When Carberry was outed, she shut down her website and Facebook page without any explanation and was even caught on security cameras buying up newspapers on the day her [​IMG]identity was exposed in Ireland.[4]

    In short, the brief emergence of Maria Divine Mercy (MDM) who gathered millions of readers, has been an absolute mess—a saga of contradictions, coverups, heresies, and most tragically, division. The essence of her writings is that Benedict XVI is the last true pope having been forced from the Chair of Peter and held hostage in the Vatican, and that his successor is the “false prophet” mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Of course, if this were true, then we should hear of the invalidity of that conclave from, at the very least, the “dubia” Cardinals, such as Raymond Burke, or the orthodox African contingent; or if true, then Benedict XVI “the last true pope” is actually a serial liar who has put his eternal soul at risk since he denies being pressured; or if true, then really, Jesus Christ has deceived His own Church by leading us into a trap.

    And even if MDM’s messages were without error, contradictions or failed predictions as they are, it is still disobedience for theologians and laymen alike to promote her works when they are explicitly unapproved.

    When someone first sent me a link to MDM, I spent about five minutes reading it. The very first thought that entered my mind was, “This is plagiarized.” Not long after, Greek Orthodox seer Vassula Ryden made the very same assertion.[5] Moreover, aside from the errors in MDM’s writings, they also condemned anyone for questioning them, including Church authorities—a tactic used in cults to control. Many who zealously followed the writings, but later regained their equilibrium, have described the experience as cult-like. Indeed, if you point out the vast problems and corruption with the MDM phenomenon today, her remaining followers immediately invoke the persecution that Saints Faustina or Pio endured as proof how the “Church can get it wrong.” But there’s a huge difference: those saints did not teach error let alone antipapalism.

    If I were Satan, I would produce a “seer” who echoed what other authentic seers were saying. I would promote devotions like the Chaplet or Rosary to give the messages an air of piety. I would teach that the Pope cannot be trusted and that he is actually going to create a false church. I would suggest that the only true church is the one the “seer” is now leading the “remnant” through her messages. I would have her publish her own gospel, a “Book of Truth” that cannot be criticized; and I would have the seer present herself as the “last true prophet,” and frame anyone who questions her as virtual agents of the Antichrist.

    There, you have “Maria Divine Mercy.”
     
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    A SIFTING

    The present confusion in the Church is producing several unforeseen effects that are necessary: the testing of the genuineness and depth of our faith (see Why Are You Troubled?).

    Benedict XVI taught that Our Lady is an “image of the Church to come.”[6] And Blessed Stella Isaac wrote:
    When either is spoken of, the meaning can be understood of both, almost without qualification. —Blessed Isaac of Stella, Liturgy of the Hours, Vol. I, pg. 252

    [​IMG]Thus the prophet Simeon’s words to Mother Mary can apply to us:

    …and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. (Luke 2:35)

    Clearly, the thoughts of many hearts are being revealed at this hour: [7] those who were previously lingering in the shadows of modernism are now emerging like Judas into this night (see The Dipping Dish); those who have “rigidly” clung to their own ideas of how the Pope should run the Church, while unsheathing their “sword of truth,” are now fleeing the Garden (cf. Matt 26:51); and yet those who have remained small, humble and faithful like Our Lady, even when she did not understand our Lord’s ways,[8] are remaining at the foot of the Cross—there where His mystical Body, the Church, appears scourged, disfigured, and… nearly shipwrecked.

    Which are you? Which one am I?

    If you have not read The Five Corrections, it is a must-read. Because here I believe the Lord, if not the Pope, revealed what He’s up to…. revealing our hearts before a final correction of the Church, and then the world, begins….
     
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    FOLLOW JESUS

    Here is the “warning” that I have personally received from some readers since the first year of Pope Francis’ pontificate: “What if you’re wrong, Mark? What if Pope Francis really is the false prophet? You’ll lead all your readers into a trap! I will not follow this Pope!

    Can you see the dark irony in this statement? How can one accuse others of being deceived for remaining in unity with the Magisterium when they have declared themselves the ultimate arbiter on who is faithful and who is not? If they have determined that the Pope is an antipope, who then is their judge and infallible guide but their own ego?

    The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.”—Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 882

    On the other hand, St. Paul’s advice on how to prepare for and withstand the deception of the Antichrist was not to throw oneself blindly into an individual, but into the Tradition handed on by the entire Body of Christ.

    …stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

    The whole body of the faithful… cannot err in matters of belief. This characteristic is shown in the supernatural appreciation of faith (sensus fidei) on the part of the whole people, when, from the bishops to the last of the faithful, they manifest a universal consent in matters of faith and morals.Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 92

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    Those Traditions are built on 266 popes, not just one. If Pope Francis someday acts contrary to the Faith, or promotes mortal sin as normative, or orders the faithful to take what is clearly “the mark of the beast” etc., will I blindly obey and encourage others to do so as well? Of course not. At the very least, we’d have a crisis on our hands and perhaps a “Peter and Paul” moment where the Supreme Pontiff would need to be corrected by his brethren. Some suggest we’re already nearing such a moment. But for Heaven’s sake, it’s not like we are walking in the dark, blindly following a guide. We have the fullness of truth shining bright and clear and undiluted lighting the way before all of us, the Pope included.

    There came a point when the Apostles faced a crisis of faith. They had to choose to either continue following Jesus or declare themselves wiser, and return to their former way of life.[9] At that moment, St. Peter simply declared:

    Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. (John 6:68)

    I am reminded again of a prophecy, allegedly from Jesus, given before St. Peter’s successor, Pope Paul VI, in a gathering with the Charismatic Renewal 43 years ago:

    I will strip you of everything that you are depending on now, so you depend just on Me. A time of darkness is coming on the world, but a time of glory is coming for My Church, a time of glory is coming for My people…. And when you have nothing but Me, you will have everything… —St. Peter’s Square, Vatican City, Pentecost Monday, May, 1975

    Perhaps what my reader above is experiencing—a conflicted heart—is part of this stripping. I think it is…. for all of us.
     
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    Though I don't always agree with everything Mark says I think he is very gifted and there is often much to be gleaned from what he writes. On top of that he just seems like a very good person. I think he is by nature very cautious and not one prone to be contentious or combative with others. Those are good things.

    We are however in a very difficult time. Souls are at stake. We have passed the point when we can look the other way or downplay what is going on. The enemy is inside the walls now. Personally I am very reticent to speak ill of any clergyman by pointing out the errors they promote. I hate the idea of having to do it. That should not be my job. BUT I would be remiss in my duties as a Catholic if I did not warn my brethren of the great dangers that are facing them from some of their leaders.

    There is a coup that is taking place in the Vatican. A subversion of the Church. Will it be destroyed? Of course not. We have Christ's promise that it wont. That does not mean however that the Church cannot be massively overcome with error. It has happened before. Just look at the Arian heresy.

    I am going to copy a small post I posted on another thread here in case Mark comes across this thread. My previous post:

    I like Mark Mallett. I think he is a very good person and very humble. Often he has good insights and some very thoughtful things to say.

    Unfortunately he takes being charitable to the point of either extreme naivete and a total misunderstanding of the current situation or he sees what is going on and is simply making excuses.

    That is exactly what the Vatican is counting on. Catholics who will not stand up and recognize the problem. Ones who will offer excuses for what is happening. Who will roll over and follow error.

    The Vatican and the Church are in meltdown.
    Just saying "There is nothing to see here" won't make the problem go away.
     
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    Firstly Mark talks in a very general sense about the fear and confusion which Pope Francis has caused. Mark admits he himself shares in the confusion. But this is a very, very general , very vague observation. In the first place:

    What exactly are the concerns Mark has about Pope Francis?

    What exactly 'Confuses', him?

    Why exactly does he have such concerns?
     
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    Mark goes on to suggest that the reason people are opposed to Pope Francis are exactly the same reason the Pharisees opposed Jesus Christ himself.

    This is really quite the most extraordinary observation.

    In the first place; does Mark have no concerns himself? I mean none at all; really? If he does (which from his lengthy article he appears very vaguely to suggest) then does this make Mark a Pharisee?

    Is it not highly uncharitable to suggest that those asking questions are , 'Pharisees? Is this not name calling of the very worst sort? Where is , 'Mercy', here? Where is charity?

    But calling members of his flock, 'Pharisees', is the very least of my very, very, very concerns. What I wonder, generally does Mark think of the Pope Francis's constant name calling and insulting of his flock?

    https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otc.cfm?id=1335

    Calling names without naming names: What I like least about Pope Francis
    By Dr. Jeff Mirus (bio - articles - email) | Oct 27, 2015

    We’ve all done it. We have all ascribed certain characteristics to groups of people in a general way, but without identifying whom we are talking about, or why. Sometimes we do this in a constructive manner by explaining, teaching or preaching about the virtues we all should possess and the vices we should avoid. And sometimes we go off on a rant, leaving others to assume that they know who and what we have in mind—that everybody knows who “those people” are.

    It is especially unfortunate when someone in authority appears to be speaking negatively about a certain group, but gives no examples of the specific persons or particular behavior he is criticizing. Unfortunately, I believe Pope Francis himself has a tendency to do this, and it is the characteristic I like least about his very interesting and often inspiring pontificate.

    I cannot find all the examples quickly enough to meet my deadline, but everyone who follows Pope Francis knows that he has little patience with characteristics such as formalism, elitism, bureaucratic functionalism, lack of human sympathy, self-righteousness, legalism, and so on. Early in his pontificate, he gave a homily in which he criticized a certain stiff punctiliousness in celebrating the liturgy, and of course everybody assumed he was talking about Traditionalists—but that was not necessarily the case. Indeed, he told the cardinals in 2015 that he regarded the “lugubrious face” as a spiritual illness. We must remember that solemnity and lugubriousness are not the same.

    Another example was heard around the world in one of his early interviews, when he seemed to rebuke those who stress moral issues for a lack of genuine compassion and love for sinners. Readers will recall his emphasis that we do not need to be talking about the life issues all the time. That’s certainly true, but the world was left wondering whether he was singling out pro-lifers for particular criticism, while letting those who do not give a hoot about Christian morality off the hook completely. It is clear from other remarks that this is not the case, but let’s face it: Pope Francis seldom appears friendly toward those who, in their commitment to truth or orthodoxy, put the least foot wrong.

    Now me, I always figured it this way: “Fine. Those of us who have been given much can take the flak. We are not the bruised reeds or smoldering wicks. We can turn all criticism to spiritual good.” Nonetheless, at times this acceptance—shall we call it generosity under fire?—grows wearisome. It is a daily requirement in the Catholic trenches. No surprise then, that we feel we ought not to have to hear it so often from the Pope.

    Documented Examples

    An even more famous example was Pope Francis’ Christmas address to the Curia in 2014. Under the guise of enumerating the kinds of spiritual diseases that can infect those who serve in ecclesiastical administration, the Pope offered about as delicious a rebuke to the officials of his own curia as an anti-clerical layman could ever savor. He warned against no fewer than fifteen deadly attitudes, including:

    • The disease of mental and spiritual “petrification”…found in those who have a heart of stone, the “stiff-necked”
    • The disease of excessive planning and of functionalism…when the apostle plans everything down to the last detail and believes that with perfect planning things will fall into place
    • The disease of rivalry and vainglory…when appearances, the color of our clothes and our titles of honor become the primary object in life
    • The disease of indifference to others…where each individual thinks only of himself and loses sincerity and warmth of human relationships
    • The disease of closed circles, where belonging to a clique becomes more powerful than belonging to the Body and, in some circumstances, to Christ himself
    Of course, everybody knows at least one person who, as far as we are able to judge, is afflicted by each of these diseases. Moreover, nobody in an empowered position is entirely exempt from such temptations. Still this was the Pope’s Christmas message to his own Curia, and it seemed pretty pointed. Was he teaching or accusing? As you can imagine, the litany was not well-received.

    The pattern surfaced again in Pope Francis’ address for the closing of the 2015 Synod on the Family. He reflected on the question of what the Synod was really about. Among about a dozen points of emphasis in his answer, he included these:

    It was about bearing witness to everyone that, for the Church, the Gospel continues to be a vital source of eternal newness, against all those who would “indoctrinate” it in dead stones to be hurled at others. It was also about laying bare closed hearts, which frequently hide even behind the Church’s teachings or good intentions, in order to sit in the chair of Moses and judge, sometimes with superiority and superficiality, difficult cases and wounded families…. It was about trying to open up broader horizons, rising above conspiracy theories and blinkered viewpoints, so as to defend and spread the freedom of the children of God, and to transmit the beauty of Christian Newness, at times encrusted in a language which is archaic or simply incomprehensible.
    The World’s Interpretation, and Mine

    These remarks were inescapably interpreted by the media as directed against those commonly regarded as “conservative” or “orthodox”, because the Pope’s words so obviously echo the criticisms voiced by the “progressives” or Modernists. I ask you: Who, in this world of ours, is typically regarded as doctrinaire, dead, judgmental, superficial, blinkered, archaic and incomprehensible? Although each deeply committed Catholic can think of someone in his own circle who fits this description in some ways, the shoe really is usually on the other foot. Yet these words all describe one thing in the lingua franca of modern secular culture. They refer to people who really do believe it is the truth that sets us free.

    Now in fact I think Pope Francis is too deep for his words to be taken solely in the usual cultural sense. It is obvious that he does not think in our standard cultural categories, and that he has a deep love of Christ, whom he most certainly regards as the way, the truth and the life. He repeatedly refers to the doctrinal security of a Church cum et sub Petro. He seems to work reasonably well with liberals and conservatives alike. But at the very least it would appear that he is either unaware of what everybody else is thinking when he makes such statements, or that he does not care.

    Moreover, have you ever wondered this: Is it perhaps likely that those who are unreservedly committed to all that God has revealed—God “who can neither deceive nor be deceived”—are in fact the only group that is spiritually mature enough to even try to apply these mysterious accusations to themselves?

    In any case, my larger point is that when he fails to identify clearly the cases to which he is referring—choosing instead to allow his audience to interpret his words according to conventional cultural prejudices—Pope Francis offers criticisms that can do more harm than good. As I said, I am perfectly willing to apply everything to myself; I know I will find in the application some cause for painful growth. I heartily recommend the same approach to everyone.

    But this tendency to denounce publicly in general terms, and to accuse without sufficient specificity, is still Pope Francis’ least attractive characteristic as the Vicar of Christ.

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    Jeffrey Mirus holds a Ph.D. in intellectual history from Princeton University. A co-founder of Christendom College, he also pioneered Catholic Internet services. He is the founder of Trinity Communications and CatholicCulture.org. See full bio.
     
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    Mark goes on a very general sense to say that Pope Francis has made, 'Mistakes'. No surprises there. But then he goes on to say that many Popes have made mistakes. No surprises there either. This is all very, very trite.

    But very,very oddly Mark seems to see this as some kind of justification, again in a very vague way of what is going on. It is rather like a Doctor telling you you have Testicular Cancer but them hastening on to tell you that many people have severe itches in that area. This is true; but it is not reassuring and rather besides the point. In fact this trite observation might well cause you to scream in exasperation.
     
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    God bless this good, good man and his family.

    His site contains a treasure trove of inspired and inspiring writings that helps us keep the faith and understand the current times - well, most often.

    But boy, is he wrong on this.

    Even mainstream analysts can see this and have sounded the alarm - why can´t he?


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    My personal take on this is that Mark most likely would rather not discuss these issues, but perhaps such a large number of the people that follow him are bringing questions to bear that although he really doesn't wish to discuss it, in some way has to respond.

    It may be that a large part of this is simply Mark's demeanor. Both psychologically and spiritually. I don't think he wants to see himself at odds with the Vicar of Christ. But who does? I don't. It has caused me great spiritual angst. Right now though perhaps he just cannot come to grips with the reality of the situation.

    Another possibility is that he sees the problems, but is just riding it out for right now. Hoping this will clear up and the hierarchy will figure it all out. The "Don't rock the boat" mentality.

    Everybody is dealing with this in their own way. We have seen here on this forum and elsewhere that slowly, sometimes extremely slowly, people are waking up to what is happening. The sheep and the goats are being separated. I have no doubt that Mark is a sheep. He is just wandering around in the middle of the flock too close to the goats at times as he is trying to figure out what is happening.

    It could also be that he sees very well what is going on, but doesn't want to go too far at this point. You can always go farther, but you can't back up once you have gone down certain roads.

    Of course this is all my conjecture, perhaps he has other motivations.
     
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    He is good, he is holy , he is is wise.

    But on this subject matter he is very wrong. Nor is he heading up the creek without a paddle alone in this, but is leading many thousands up the same grim Cul De Sac.
    If he were alone in this I wouldn't bother commenting.
     
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    Mark goes on to raise the , 'Anti Pope', matter at some great length.

    But really this is totally irrelevant. No serious commentator has described him as an anti Pope. Effectively this is a straw man issue no one is really raising. It makes it look like that those who are asking questions about the Pope are nut jobs.
     
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    I extract a couple of quotes from Mark's writing above. The first is from Pope Francis himself:

    On the lips of the catechist the first proclamation must ring out over and over: “Jesus Christ loves you; he gave his life to save you; and now he is living at your side every day to enlighten, strengthen and free you.” This first proclamation is called “first” not because it exists at the beginning and can then be forgotten or replaced by other more important things. It is first in a qualitative sense because it is the principal proclamation, the one which we must hear again and again in different ways, the one which we must announce one way or another throughout the process of catechesis, at every level and moment.Evangelii Gaudium, n. 164

    This approach was the same one by which Jesus rescued me from a death spiral some 40 years ago. It was found in a little book called The Life in the Spirit Seminars (LISS). In the context of a Catholic prayer group, I heard the essence of the Gospel which Francis speaks of above. I was forever changed! Now, I am leading a young father (John) caught in the welfare system wanting to do what is best for his children and the young woman he is living with unmarried. He is hungry for God. So I am revealing to him first the Jesus who is Mercy and Love and Faithfulness. Jesus did this for the adulteress of John 8. He said, "Go and sin no more" only when she could perceive that He was worth giving up her former ways, her way of sin. Why? Because Jesus had rescued her! Pope Francis is right in this sense. Jesus has borne the weight of their sin for love of them. When this couple realizes this may they then be willing to struggle against and reject sin out of love for Him. By the way, please pray for John, especially when he goes to the only parish in Fulton, NY. May he and his common law wife be willing to marry. Still, they will be looked upon as outsiders. Pray I find at least one or two families to take them under their wing.

    Clearly, the thoughts of many hearts are being revealed at this hour: [7] those who were previously lingering in the shadows of modernism are now emerging like Judas into this night (see The Dipping Dish); those who have “rigidly” clung to their own ideas of how the Pope should run the Church, while unsheathing their “sword of truth,” are now fleeing the Garden (cf. Matt 26:51); and yet those who have remained small, humble and faithful like Our Lady, even when she did not understand our Lord’s ways,[8] are remaining at the foot of the Cross—there where His mystical Body, the Church, appears scourged, disfigured, and… nearly shipwrecked.

    It is those who have lingered in the shadows and are now roaring like hungry lions that we have raised a warning cry against. Some of us have included Pope Francis in this group, but have also promised to pray for him daily. Are such prayers still being placed in the hands of Our Lady? Yes, indeed, there are many snakes. Let us make sure that Joe Jerk does not ensnare us in a cloak of self-righteousness as we unsheathe our sword of truth against them. How are we reaching out to those in our parish who embrace the path of indifference to the truth? How does one be bold and gentle at the same time? Jesus lambasted the Pharisees as a group. But when he interacted with individual sinners, it usually was different (think the Samaritan woman with many husbands).

    O Lord, the darkness is very dark! I am afraid to step on toes, so you must change my heart quickly and make it humble, entirely dependent on You. Above all, give each of us a wisdom coupled to mercy, and a truth wed to love. We are confident of this Lord, for You are Faithful and True! Lead us on into battle!

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
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    I am a great believer -- say what you mean and mean what you say. And if you don't have anything to say don't say anything.

    Jesus said let your yes be yes and your no be no.

    There is no mystery in the one who causes confusion for he does not know how to lead a flock.
     
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    I love this Post, Terry.

    You remind me that our finger must always point at our own nose first.:D:D
     
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