The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

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  1. garabandal

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    The Cure of Ars, “All the good works in the world are not equal to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass because they are the works of men; but the Mass is the work of God. Martyrdom is nothing in comparison for it is but the sacrifice of man to God; but the Mass is the sacrifice of God for man.”

    Padre Pio: "Every holy Mass, heard with devotion, produces in our souls marvellous effects, abundant spiritual and material graces which we, ourselves, do not know. It is easier for the earth to exist without the sun than without the holy Sacrifice of the Mass."
     
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    10 quotes from the saints about the importance of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.


    by Dr Taylor Marshall:

    1. When the Eucharist is being celebrated, the sanctuary is filled with countless angels who adore the divine victim immolated on the altar. ~ St. John Chrysostom

    2. The angels surround and help the priest when he is celebrating Mass. ~ St. Augustine

    3. If we really understood the Mass, we would die of joy. ~ Saint Jean Vianney

    4. The celebration of Holy Mass is as valuable as the death of Jesus on the cross. ~ Saint Thomas Aquinas

    5. Once, St. Teresa was overwhelmed with God’s Goodness and asked Our Lord “How can I thank you?” Our Lord replied, “ATTEND ONE MASS.”

    6. “My Son so loves those who assist at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that, if it were necessary He would die for them as many times as they’ve heard Masses.” Our Lady to Blessed Alan.

    7. When we receive Holy Communion, we experience something extraordinary – a joy, a fragrance, a well-being that thrills the whole body and causes it to exalt. ~ Saint Jean Vianney

    8.There is nothing so great as the Eucharist. If God had something more precious, He would have given it to us. ~ Saint Jean Vianney

    9.When we have been to Holy Communion, the balm of love envelops the soul as the flower envelops the bee. ~ Saint Jean Vianney

    10.It would be easier for the world to survive without the sun than to do without Holy Mass. ~ St. Pio of Pietrelcina
    That last quote from Saint Pio is profound. The entire cosmos is sustained by the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
     
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    Garabandal and Josephite

    These are awesome sayings on the truth of the Mass. It is a pity that in fact it is mostly given little reverence.

    With regard to #9 I think the "the balm of love envelops the soul as the flower envelops the bee" is only available to souls in the state of grace.

    The Mass is the sacrifice of God; the purchase price of our salvation. Our ingratitude to God especially at Sunday Mass denies belief in the Real Presence.

    God Bless
     
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    From Luz de Maria
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    My People, I desire in this instant especially, when evil has taken possession of so many human beings, I desire that you receive the Holy Eucharist in the mouth.

    MY BODY AND MY BLOOD MUST BE TREATED WITH RESPECT; RECEIVE ME IN THE MOUTH, DO NOT TAKE ME IN THE HAND. YOU LET ME FALL WITHOUT NOTICING IT WHEN, AFTER RECEIVING ME IN YOUR HAND, THE PARTICLES OF MY SACRED BODY FALL ON THE FLOOR WHEN YOU LOWER YOUR HANDS CARELESSLY AND THROW ME TO THE GROUND. THIS IS NOT BECAUSE THE HAND IS NOT WORTHY OR PART OF THE BODY, BUT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT ME AND IGNORE THE VALUE OF A SINGLE PARTICLE OF MY SACRED BODY.

    My People, I am the Shepherd who does not neglect the details of His Flock, I anticipate and warn you so that you do not make careless mistakes.
     
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    Fatima

    I see reception of our Lord in the hands as one of a number of things that promote a subtraction from the consciousness of the Faithful in the reality of the Real Presence; on its own and if it was accomplished in the manner prescribed by the Church, it might not have been so harmful.

    To receive Him on the tongue after my conversion was most difficult for me since I was the only one. Even after all these years, I believe I am still the only one doing it.

    Now in some churches after receiving Holy communion, people stand up until the last person has received.

    God Bless
     
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  7. LittleVoice

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    Do you know, when exactly in the holy mass is offered Christ to his Father? I give you two opportunities for choice. During the Transubstantion (consecration) or after it in Eucharistic prayer. Look it in Missale Romanum and in the Catechism of the Council of Trent. One from these two answers is according to the Catechism the heresy of Luther, which was punishable by anathema.
     
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    It starts with one and it gradually grows.

    Some priest might even look at you funny... but some priests get it. Some priest and ministers have forgotten how to do properly and some are old or nervous...but it forces them to take there time.

    Mentioning time...it seems most priest and congregations seem to rush to get through the lines. The loss of real spiritual reflection. Not to be overly pious but...after you recieve the Holy Eucharist, slowly make the sign of the cross and thank Jesus. That extra moment slows down the pace...and is also a great blessing.

    May Gods Will be Done
     
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    Little Voice

    I am not sure I have the correct answer, but I believe it is at the Great Amen, when the priest holds the Body and blood of the Lord in the Paten and chalice and says the prayer "In Him..etc all Glory and Honour are Yours Almighty Father for ever and ever. Amen"

    God Bless
     
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    Doxology is reaching the Sacrifice.
    Watch the Eucharistic Prayer
    Preface
    Sanctus
    Epeclesis
    Transsubstantiation
    Anamnesis (memory of crucifixion)
    Sacrifice (sensu stricto)
    Prayers
    Doxology
    Amen

    The Eucharist prayer is Sacrifice sensu lato. But without Sacrifice of Eucharist to Heavenly Father becomes it the greatest Sacrilege and abomination. Therefore, when somebody will change this, we can start to count 1290 days.
     
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    Bingo!!!!

     
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    The abomination is based on Dogma about Consecration. Jesus will be present in Eucharist, but he will not be sacrificed to His Farher. Brrr... the greatest Sacrilege. God gives the lamb (Jesus) to Abraham (priest) instead Isaac (our offering). Ambraham will eat the lamb without sacrifice o_O Blasphemy and theft. Priest and people will eat Jesus without Sacrifice :( The greatest blasphemy and the greatest theft!
     
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    Ahem, these great pictures, and above great St quotes, of course refer to the Tridentine.
     
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    Messages to Verne Dagenais on the Abomination of Desolation
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen

    6/07 "Now let me clear up an area of confusion for you. Daniel 12:11. And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days. The continual sacrifice is the mass and the abomination of desolation is when the doctrine of the mass is changed in my church- the Roman Catholic Church. If you study church history, this doctrine of the mass is the one Satan has tried to destroy. From the time of the early church until now.

    Please read the next comments carefully. In my present church, there is much confusion regarding Vatican II. This is from Satan, not from me. Answer me a question: if the Holy Father calls an ecumenical council with all the bishops of the world and the Holy Spirit is guiding the church, how can that council be of Satan? It was not. My people do not understand the working of my Holy Spirit. Remember, I told you to be ware of false prophets who come to you in the clothing of sheep. Satan has caused schism in my church, by allowing false interpretations to abound concerning Vatican II. My words do not change. I am going to give you a clue to share with my people. Satan hates the doctrine of the mass and the doctrines concerning my Blessed Mother. These are the two areas he has been trying to destroy. The Vatican II Council reaffirmed both of these doctrines. This council was not convened by hell, but by my Holy Spirit. A council or a Pope who destroys and denies my mass and my Blessed Mother’s privileges is from hell. This is how you can recognize the abomination of desolation. A false prophet or anti pope will proclaim the protestant doctrine of the mass to be correct. This is the one teaching that will change. The rest of my churches teachings can stay the same. Satan knows how to deprive my children of everlasting life, deprive my children of my presence. This is how the man of sin, the son of perdition will sit in the temple of God. Reference II Thessalonians 2:4-10. He will attempt to lead my people to deny my presence in the Eucharist and to teach the mass is only a symbol. This is antichrist. This will bring the wrath of God on the children of disobedience. This will cause the unleashing of the bowls of divine justice. My sacrifice of the mass daily holds back my Father’s justice. Luke 18:8. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? Will I find any of my children, who I recognize with my life in them? Will there be faith left in my holy sacrifice? These are the questions which need to be pondered. My son, a false Christian church will be forced on the people. A gospel of prosperity and a make you feel good gospel will be preached. My churches can be filled with people, but the churches will be dead because I am not there. Without my presence in the churches, God does not dwell in the churches. Then, these sheep who hear my voice will be forced to worship in underground churches where I will be present. This truly is the abomination of desolation and antichrist. Then I will come with the brightness of my coming, destroy this false church, and restore my church according to my will. Then you will see an era of peace. A Eucharistic era of peace where I will reign in the hearts and mind of my people in the holy Eucharist. You must believe all these words I am teaching you and the teachings of my church or you will not enter my era of peace. Ponder these words or I may say to: I NEVER KNEW YOU. The words of the Lord. I bless you Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. AMEN".

    9/4/07 "For I prophecy to you, when you deny my Eucharistic Presence, you are contributing to the abomination of desolation foretold by the prophet Daniel in bringing about the reign of the man of sin. For the abomination of desolation, is a belief in the protestant doctrine of the mass, as my Blessed Mother has explained through many messengers".

    11/6/07 "Many teach the antichrist will resume the Jewish sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem to constitute the abomination of desolation. This is a false teaching, not from God, but from human understanding. My son, in the book of Daniel, the persecution by the Jews under Antiochus can be considered a partial fulfillment of the abomination of desolation. But the complete fulfillment has not yet taken place. At my death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by my new covenant. My sacrifice on the cross was the final sacrifice for my peoples’ sin. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is my church, not the modern nation of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of my church through sanctifying grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy from Daniel of the abomination of desolation will occur: when the continual sacrifice of the mass is abolished by the false prophet and the anitchrist. Acceptance of the protestant doctrine of the mass by an antipope will be the fulfillment of the prophecy. The temple of God is my Holy Roman Catholic Church. My faithful remnant will be persecuted worldwide with the mass taking place underground. These conditions will be similar to the early persecutions by the Romans. The Roman persecutions were a foreshadowing of the persecution and time of the antichrist. Remember all this will be allowed and take place according to the will of my Father in heaven. Scripture must and will be fulfilled".
     
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    The center of the battle is Jerusalem not the Vatican.

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    These words belong not to my Lord. Why it was not said e.g. in Medjugorje? Our God do not send prophets to tell sensations. Many from the message is however true. Main feature of false prophets. Lk 21,10 People will tell here Jesus speaks to this prophet, there Jesus gives message to that prophet... And how many people believe to these "prophets"?
     
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    LittleVoice, I don't know what is true and what is not and no one does for that matter when dealing with unapproved but why do you feel that it is your interpretation of things that is only correct. You say things like "my Lord" which renders you as final authority and judge on what should be approved and what is not. That is your opinion of the matter but not necessarily the truth or fact. It is not your Lord it is only The Lord. When you make a comment and say "my Lord" I feel such comments belong along the same line of thought as protestants who render themselves as judge of all things in their case using scripture and saying the Holy Spirit instructed them. We are to test all prophecy and discern but the moment we come right and say that our discernment is right regarding the unapproved then we set ourselves up to be wrong and thus succumb to pride. No one knows the truth except The Lord we can only try our best to discern and keep open to the potential of the unapproved becoming approved or not at some point by the authority of the Church. You are basing your above comment of truth around something not being said in Medjugorje which is also still unapproved. That is an argument being built on sand vs stone. I am not saying that you are wrong or Medjugorje is wrong but your analysis is open to be wrong. Does that make sense? Maybe there is just a language barrier going on here. I don't know for certain.
     
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    Yes you have truth. We must test all prophets and discern it. In Medjugorje Our Lady said, that there are the last apparitiones, in Medjugorje. Nevertheless according to Holy Scripture I have read many prophets and discern it. E.g. I have read all prophecies of MDM more then five times, also prophecies of Carol Ameche, John Leary also more times etc. And I found so many gibberish there. Therefore I said that the End of times prophets fulfilled Lk 21,10.
    However if you are so curious, so why do you not read End of Times of Valtorta recommended by St. pater Pio and Our Lady in Medjugorje? Or book of don Gobbi recommended by St. John Paul II. Instead you read prophets with the uncertain origin... I do not understand.
    I said My Lord, because it is only my opinion about authenticity of the prophet. I have not said Our Lord, because I have no authority of Church. If you think you have recognized voice of Our Lord in the voice of this prophet, you can also tell My Lord. Between the Lord and our Lord is also a difference. Devils say the Lord, but never our Lord.
     
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    What specific "words" in the messages above in your opinion do "not belong to the Lord"? A false prophet is one that brings another message apart from scripture and church teachings. I don't know what your back ground is, but the alleged messages given to Verne Dagenais, in the book God Speaks Will You Listen (GSWYL), have been studied by Catholic theologians and several faithful priest, including the head of the Marian Movement of Priests and found to be within Church teaching and Catholic prophetic consensus.
     
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    Why would anyone have to read MDM more than 5 times to figure out it was not sound? There is such a thing as Catholic "prophetic consensus" where if one stay's within these bounds you are more likely to be on sound ground. MDM did not fit this profile and if you were given the gift of prophetic discernment it would not have taken you 5 times to figure out that MDM was not of God.
     
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