This isn’t a “Fake News” headline from GloriaTV. This actually happened. It is in other Italian news outlets too. We’re at a new stage this week: Amazon Synod with married and female priests, and a pope who literally denied the divinity of Christ. Regardless that this report comes from an aging atheist journalist, if he’s been misquoting this pope, why does this pope keep returning for interviews - NINE times now!!! - and refusing to make clarifications of this journalists reports? https://gloria.tv/article/Bkegh27X6GVz3e3Fms6E9suCi?fbclid=IwAR355fJ-qwcBVPF7w9SfsUcUB-x0xAPAQKzyvZUxiPVe7Re9BbWw-O8fTX8
The Vatican, just moments ago, immediately shifted into high-gear damage control and issued the following statement: As has been affirmed in other occasions, the words that Dr. Eugenio Scalfari attributes between quotes to the Holy Father during his colloquies held with him cannot be considered as a faithful account of what was effectively said, but represent more a personal and free interpretation of that which he heard, as appears entirely evident from what was written today concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ. That is the relevant part of the statement, and it, in itself, is now creating its own firestorm because it does not actually deny Scalfari's characterization, merely hinting at the possibility. Likewise, it does not affirm in any fashion that Pope Francis does indeed hold the divinity of Christ during Our Savior's earthly ministry. So the overarching question has moved from "is what Scalfari reported true?" to "does Pope Francis absolutely and unequivocally declare his full and entire belief in the divinity of Christ while He was present on earth and prior to His death on the cross?" Scalfari said the Pope does not. The Vatican, so far, has not responded. Stay tuned on this one. Given the current climate in the Church, this story appears to not be going away anytime soon. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/breaking-news-vatican-responds What is needed from Rome is a flat-out denial of the report, not just a vaguely worded statement left open to interpretation. Also needed: a clear affirmation of the Pope's belief in Our Lord's divinity.
This is a game changer. This is a grave, grave scandal. The Pope must make a clear statement. The Laity (us) must insist that the Pope proclaims publicly his belief in the Divinity of Christ. The laity must insisit that our bishops and cardinals pressurise the Pope to do so. And we must take action. I for one will not put one cent or one penny into my Church collection until the Pope makes it clear that Scalfari is mistaken or until he makes a public statement making it clear he believes in the Divinty of Christ.
This actually ties in with the Pope's willingness to sign the Abu Dhabi declaration because the Muslims don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. It also ties in with the Pope's favourite Fr. James Martin's statement about Jesus learning from the woman that His mission wasn't only for the Jews. The Vatican has issued some kind of response but it doesn't deny that Pope Francis made those statements to Scalfari. It merely says that Scalfari gave his own interpretation of the Pope's statement but it doesn't clarify what the Pope actually said.
I agree that clarity would seem appropriate! And that it should have been released immediately. Continuing to pray over the synod.
Hopefully it will be headline news in the newspapers & social media that the Pope denies the Divinity of Christ. It will force him to come out of the Scalfari closet.
I am seriously considering the possibility that he is not really the Pope, I follow Father Paul Kramer's Facebook posts, and he has been warning about this since the beginning of the pontificate of Francis.
Do we need to speak always about the divinity of Jesus Christ rather than just Christ. I have come across statements that He became the Christ on his death. I don't have references as I came across this a few years when I thought such things were crazy. I hope the Pope comes back with great clarity on this issue. Nothing less will be of any value.
I’m with @garabandal . . . . No more money to the Church under any circumstances until Francis clarifies this mess. ALSO - No more interviews!! WHAT SORT OF A WAY IS THIS FOR THE SUPREME PONTIFF TO CARRY OUT HIS AFFAIRS!!! Giving off the cuff interviews and hanging out with atheists/agnostics, who talk about conversations had and matters discussed, scandalizing the faithful and panicking the faithful, and the arrogance we’re met with when we ask if such a scandalous statements as we’ve heard today are true or not!! Dear God! I’m teetering somewhere between pure rage and disbelief. After watching the madness in the garden over the weekend, I thought to myself, as I calmed down, “well, at least they brought the bad news of the synod first; married priests and demon worship - it’s all improvements from here”. BOY WAS I WRONG!! ENOUGH!!!!!
Did Archbishop Fulton Sheen Prophesy About the Condition of Our Church Today? Fr Richard Heilman September 28, 2018 Up until recent years, I was completely unaware of this prophecy attributed to Our Lady of Good Success, but many years prior to that, I had been saying that “something happened … something erupted in the 1960s …” “Thus I make it known to you that from the end of the 19th century and shortly after the middle of the 20th century…the passions will erupt and there will be a total corruption of morals… As for the Sacrament of Matrimony, which symbolizes the union of Christ with His Church, it will be attacked and deeply profaned. Freemasonry, which will then be in power, will enact iniquitous laws with the aim of doing away with this Sacrament, making it easy for everyone to live in sin and encouraging procreation of illegitimate children born without the blessing of the Church … In this supreme moment of need for the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent.” -Our Lady of Good Success “Shortly after the middle of the 20th century” … most certainly points to the infamous anti-authority, pro-hedonism 1960s, that ushered in unparalleled self-indulgent (the essence of the demonic) sexual revolution into our world. In the midst of this, our Church has not only suffered unprecedented losses in the sheer number of souls, but we are witnessing an epidemic of liturgical abuse and rampant sacrilege. In an article that speaks to this, I called this a “Stealth Arianism.” Many claim we very well could be in the throes of what is termed, “The Great Apostasy.” Pope Benedict XVI said, “the true problem of our times is the ‘Crisis of God,’ the absence of God, disguised by an empty religiosity” (emptied of its divine content) … a kind of lukewarm, going through the motions of one’s faith (It’s No Big Deal), which ends up collapsing completely. Did Archbishop Fulton Sheen prophesy about the condition of our Church today? “[Satan] will set up a counterchurch which will be the ape of the [Catholic] Church … It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content.” We are living in the days of the Apocalypse, the last days of our era. The two great forces – the Mystical Body of Christ and the Mystical Body of the anti-Christ – are beginning to draw battle lines for the catastrophic contest. The False prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit Church. Christ’s Church the Catholic Church will be one; and the false Prophet will create the other. The False Church will be worldly, ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches and religions, forming some type of global association. A world parliament of Churches. It will be emptied of all Divine content, it will be the mystical body of the anti-christ. The Mystical Body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot, and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from our Bishops. The Antichrist will not be so called; otherwise he would have no followers. He will not wear red tights, nor vomit sulphur, nor carry a trident nor wave an arrowed tail as Mephistopheles in Faust. This masquerade has helped the Devil convince men that he does not exist. When no man recognizes, the more power he exercises. God has defined Himself as “I am Who am,” and the Devil as “I am who am not.” Nowhere in Sacred Scripture do we find warrant for the popular myth of the Devil as a buffoon who is dressed like the first “red.” Rather is he described as an angel fallen from heaven, as “the Prince of this world,” whose business it is to tell us that there is no other world. His logic is simple: if there is no heaven there is no hell; if there is no hell, then there is no sin; if there is no sin, then there is no judge, and if there is no judgment then evil is good and good is evil. But above all these descriptions, Our Lord tells us that he will be so much like Himself that he would deceive even the elect–and certainly no devil ever seen in picture books could deceive even the elect. How will he come in this new age to win followers to his religion? The pre-Communist Russian belief is that he will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity and plenty not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves … The third temptation in which Satan asked Christ to adore him and all the kingdoms of the world would be His, will become the temptation to have a new religion without a Cross, a liturgy without a world to come, a religion to destroy a religion, or a politics which is a religion–one that renders unto Caesar even the things that are God’s. In the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counterchurch which will be the ape of the Church, because he, the Devil, is the ape of God. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ … But the twentieth century will join the counterchurch because it claims to be infallible when its visible head speaks ex cathedra from Moscow on the subject of economics and politics, and as chief shepherd of world communism.” (Fulton J. Sheen, Communism and the Conscience of the West [Bobbs-Merril Company, Indianapolis, 1948], pp. 24-25) Pray for the Catholic Church! Did Archbishop Fulton Sheen Prophesy About the Condition of Our Church Today? - Roman Catholic Man
Don't worry, one of the internet theologians will be along shortly to tell everyone what he really meant and string people along just a little bit more.
Francis is a Jesuit 'par excellence'. This is a systematised method of letting everyone know what he actually believes while retaining 'plausible deniability' and declining to deny the clear perceptions received by his one hearer in an unrecorded conversation without witnesses. If we believe Scalfari (and I do), we now know that Francis is at best a 'theist' who could happily 'fit in' in freemasonry and/or many religions or ecclesial communities but not Catholicism. If he is not a Catholic, he is, by definition, NOT Pope so we have to look to Benedict, in my view. This seems so characteristic of a man who likes to cause confusion and encourages others to 'make a mess'. He is just following his own advice. Today, by coincidence, is the 61st anniversary of the death of Pope Pius XII, bless him.
After Francis was elected pope, in America some of the news sites were getting Americans acquainted with Jorge Bergoglio. The one image that CNN showed with their article was this one. This image was purposely shown for two reasons. The first reason was to show to non-masons, that Jorge was a humble, man of the poor that takes public transportation. The second reason is the hidden hand gesture to show other masons that jorge is one of them. They got their man in. For the reason that masons are excommunicated, Jorge is in a really bad place right now.
Look to Ben? Why? Last weekend he gave a speech urging loyalty to team Francis, sitting side by side with Francis. What Ben gonna do? Publicly rebuke him? ‘Undo’ the resignation? No. He’ll do Nothing. I’m actually more angry with Ben as time passes, than I could ever be with Francis.
Benedict is a Catholic and a Pope, Francis is not a Catholic and therefore not Pope (IMO). Not a matter of choice.
