I would tend to be a little bit wary of Malachi Martin for several reasons. Firstly because he was a priest who left the priesthood. Secondly Father Hardon warned about him (and Fr Hardon was someone who I would listen to very,very closely). Also (and this is true of so much we see on the internet at the moment), very, very serious claims are made that are very,very difficult to substantiate. As my mother, God Rest her, used to say, 'If you believe all you hear, you'll eat all you see!'
he also defended the thesis that Cardinal Siri was elected in 1958, this puts the popes of Vatican II as imposters
Yes I think caution is in order--but he never left the priesthood. The Jesuit order finally confirmed that after villifying him for years. He was a work in progress changing as events confronted him but he was dead right about the NWO and the Luciferians and also the satanic cabal within the Vatican and the hierarchy. I never heard him say that there were no validly elected popes. He did say that Siri refused it when it was offered. He was disappointed in JPII's inability to right the bark of Peter but he never said he wasn't Pope. I've listened to all his interviews and read many of his books. I hold in reserve an out and out approval but I am also aware he was the victim of many false narratives. Father Hardin's warning however is to be taken very seriously.
I would recommend anyone interested in what Malachi Martin says to listen to Fr Hardin instead. He has lot of hugely interesting things to say and is 100% trustworthy. With Malachi it is kind of....maybe yes, maybe no. With Fr Hardin it is 100% pure gold. Although I loved Malachi's book , 'Hostage to the Devil'. But I was a lot younger and more innocent back then...
I agree AED. I’ve read a lot on him and I completely concur. I’d love to know the whole and complete truth, but we never will. But what a story! Enthralling!
I'm unsure about the late Fr. Martin. Clearly, he was very intelligent and perceptive but I think he was inclined to play to the gallery at times. I watched a video in YouTube where Fr. Hardon was asked about Fr. Malachi Martin and Fr. Gobbi. I'm fairly sure that he said he knew both of them. He said that Fr. Martin was right (I think he meant that Fr. Martin was right about there being a bad element in the Church but I'm not sure). He certainly didn't give the impression that Fr. Martin was a liar or u trustworthy. Perhaps he changed his mind later. I can't remember what he said about Fr. Gobbi other than that it wasn't very favourable.
he, in defending the coercion thesis that separates Cardinal Siri from the papacy, raises (indirectly) the possibility that John xxiii had an illegitimate pontificate since the waiver under coercion is considered invalid by the code of canon law.
Well I suppose it will be no surprise that I will defend Father Malachi to the hilt. I know good priests who knew him which isn't definitive proof I know, but we also have many hours of audio and video where his faith and fidelity are made manifest. He never left the priesthood this is a calumny begrugdgingly admitted by his own corrupt order. One of my favourite talks is his keynote speech human life international 1990 I think. Father Marx personally invited him I believe. Get it on YouTube in 6 or 7parts
Supporters of the Siri Thesis believe that dire threats against the Cardinals and the Vatican were made during this time, emanating in part from the Kremlin. Some believe that the pressures included a nuclear threat against the Vatican itself if Siri were not set aside and a more acceptable candidate chosen. The possibility of a nuclear threat gained steam when the late author, Malachi Martin, wrote of threats which involved "the very existence of the Vatican state" during a conclave on pages 600 to 610 in his book, The Keys of this Blood, which deals primarily with Siri and the 1963 conclave. Under this line of thought, after such threats entered the conclave, the liberal and subversive factions amongst the cardinals in the conclave (particularly the French cardinals) supposedly pressured Siri to step aside in light of the alleged threats, claiming that his strong anti-Communist policies would lead, among other things, to widespread persecution of Catholics in the Eastern Europe. Siri then allegedly accepted this suggestion, and eventually stepped aside. This led to the election of Angelo Cardinal Roncalli two days later, who took the name John XXIII. As stated above, Sirianists cite that white smoke initially billowed forth from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel at 5:55 PM on October 26, 1958, thus signaling the election of a new pope; the smoke then changed to black at 6 PM, signaling that a pope had not been elected, which is claimed to be the work of the liberal cardinals. The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation allegedly also claimed that Siri had indeed been elected on the third ballot on October 26, 1958.[{{fullurl:{{wikipedia:FULLPAGENAME}}}}#endnote_Siri] This is found, complete with FBI document reference, in the book The Vatican Exposed: Money, Murder, and the Mafia by Paul L. Williams on pages 90-92. The document Williams referred to, allegedly declassified, can no longer be found. Williams, since questioned by interested readers, has adamantly refused to comment on why he included the alleged document and reference number in his book, or why the document can no longer be viewed. What is unambiguously known is that Vatican Radio did conclude, on the basis of the five minutes of white smoke on October 26, 1958, that a pope had been elected on the third ballot and announced it as such, telling listeners, "The smoke is white...There is absolutely no doubt. A pope has been elected."[{{fullurl:{{wikipedia:FULLPAGENAME}}}}#endnote_Vaticanradio] After the white smoke appeared, the Swiss Guard assembled to give the ceremonial salute to the new pontiff, only to be ordered to withdraw again sometime later when no Pope emerged on the balcony, and after the white smoke had turned back to black. However, according to Sirianist apologetics, Cardinal Siri's supposed resignation was invalid according to Canon 185 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which states as Canon 188 in the 1983 Code of Canon Law: "Resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice, substantial error, or simony is invalid by the law itself."[4] Malachi Martin later stated that that Siri was elected anew pope during the Papal conclave, October 1978. Martin publicly stated in March 1997 on Paranet Continuum radio programme Steel on Steel, hosted by John Loefller, that Siri received a written note after his initial election threatening him and his family with death should he accept.[5] https://religion.wikia.org/wiki/Siri_Thesis
I like to watch Fr. John Hardon's lectures on Youtube. The lectures I have watched recently are about the priesthood and the crisis of faith. One video, while not directly related to the subject of this thread, throws some light on what was going on behind the scenes around the time of Vatican 11. For example, Fr. Hardon said that Pope Paul v1 was very wary of introducing Mass in the vernacular, and issued a document saying that use of the vernacular should be kept to the minimum. Fr. Hardon said that within, 24 hour of the Pope releasing that document, the Vatican received telegrams from 400 dioceses threatening to break from Rome. I have no reason to believe that Fr. Hardon was lying or exaggerating, and considering how closely he worked with the Vatican especially during the Papacy of St. John Paul 11, his sources would have been very reliable. Fr. Hardon also said that it was the Jesuit Karl Rahner who drafted the German Bishops' statement of dissent from Humanae Vitae. Added to that, Fr. Harden said in another lecture that the first English translation of the Vatican 11 documents was the work of a Jesuit. He said it was a bad translation and I'm sure he said that it was years before a Dominican provided a reliable translation of the documents. While Fr. Hardon didn't say it in so many words, I got the impression that he was laying at least some of the blame for the infamous "Spirit of Vatican 11" at the feet of that Jesuit. Malachi Martin, being a well connected Jesuit who worked for Cardinal Bea, would have been aware of the widespread apostasy in that order which wasn't blatant then but is plain for all to see now. What I can't get my head around is the treatment meted out to more traditional clergy while others who should have been excommunicated received little more than a rap on the knuckles. They have gone on to destroy the faith of millions, including priests and nuns. Their evil has spread and taken hold to the stage where their followers are now in the ascendancy, giving us de-facto two religions within Catholicism. We have the old religion on paper and the new religion is the one being promoted in pastoral practice. Solve et coagula. Meanwhile, anyone who so much as raises an eyebrow at Pope Francis is accused of disobedience, Protestantism, heresy. or schism, yet, if Fr. Hardon's account is accurate, 400 Bishops strong armed a Pope into changing the Mass against his better judgement. Were those Bishops in schism? Were they disobedient? Heretics? Protestant? If not, why not? Here's the lecture (the part about the Bishops threatening to break from the Holy See is at about the 45 minute mark):
The 1963 conclave elected Pope Paul VI, because Roncalli had passed away. There is a problem with the timeline there in your post.
Bernard Janzen, of Triumph Communications writes about the priesthood here: Triumph Communications - Article - Malachi Martin The Man "At some point, Fr. Martin seems to have become disillusioned with the direction of the Church and in particular, his Jesuit order, and he asked Pope Paul VI if he could be released from the Jesuits. He was released from his vows of poverty and obedience, but not chastity. From this point onwards, he did not have a position in the official Church. He did continue to say Mass privately, hear confessions, and provide counseling to souls who were coping with the crisis in the Church. In 1965, Fr. Martin left Rome and came to the United States, where from then till his death, he lived in New York City. He received a general commission to work in the field of communications. He wrote sixteen books, two of which, Hostage to the Devil and The Jesuits, were bestsellers. " In retrospect Father Malachi Martin was correct on many fronts. There are a series of lectures which he did with the head of the Canadian Triumph Communication, Bernard Janzen, in which he clearly and succinctly describes almost 20 years ago, what we are seeing today in the Vatican. Triumph Communications - Audio You can get the 8 books or the audio CD's. But I believe that you can still hear the CD's free on youtube. The Wisdom of the Ages An attractive box set of the eight books by Malachi Martin published by Triumph Communications. This set of books has been described as the most complete assessment of the crisis in the Catholic Church. It is a wealth of information about the Faith and a source of spiritual nourishment. Box Set The Wisdom Of The Ages is available for $80.00. - Malachi Martin - 22 CDs Catholicism Overturned The Storm Breaks The Ship at Storm Inside the Vatican The Eternal War God's Rule Overturned The Priesthood in Crisis The Keys of the Kingdom The Kingdom of Darkness 2 CD series The Shoes of the Fisherman The Slavic Solution Into the Darkness Peter in Chains The Sack of Rome System Breakdown The Moral Ice Age The Deserted Vineyard The Judas Complex St. Peter's Successor The Essence of Catholicism The Tempter's Hour Windswept House Revisited Pact with Darkness The Emmaus Factor Crossing the Desert After the Cold War The Hidden Dynamic Our Invisible Guides
I listened to Fr Hardin talking in a conference about Fr Malachi, he specifically warned against him and said he invited Malachi to meet him so he could tell him off and confront him, he said Malachi backed out. More nor less ran away. This was in response to a question from the audience at the end of the day. Fr Hardon was very,very strong on this. It struck me that Fr Hardon to me is a saint but also that he had no skin in the game so to speak. He is very,very orthodox himself. His views what you might call very, Conservative.
I am kinda fond of Malachi nevertheless, he is a great story teller. But story tellers , especially Irish story tellers tend to get carried away and tell tall tales. This is the folk origin from the Appalachian Mountains in the USA (the Hill Billies) of telling tall tales, (an old American/ Scots Irish tradition) Nothing wrong with this, unless folks get taken in.
Fr Hardon didn't go into detail when responding to the question on the video that I watched. He didn't specify what he considered Fr. Martin got right. I doubt anyone would deny now that he was right about the Jesuits, so perhaps that's what Fr. Hardon meant. I had a quick search for the video but couldn't find it although I do recall posting a link on the forum when it was fresh in my memory. The video you watched could have been from a later talk after Fr. Martin seemed to be talking out of turn more especially about Fatima and the consecration of Russia. Fr. Hardon seems to have been a faithful Jesuit who took his vows seriously and lived them with all his heart. Completely off topic, but in one of the more recent videos I watched Fr. Hardon spoke about a priest, Fr. Kunz, who had been murdered. Fr. Hardon knew Fr. Kunz well and believed that he had been martyred. It seems that Fr. Kunz was a very holy priest. I found this article about him which included a statement from Fr. Heilman who also believed Fr. Kunz to have been a very holy priest. Reading between the lines of the report, I don't think it's hard to guess what kind of demonic spirit was behind the murder of that priest. Maybe I'm mixing it up with another case, but did Fr. Martin also know Fr. Kunz? https://catholicexchange.com/the-haunting-unsolved-murder-of-fr-kunz Fr. Hardon was very concerned about the priesthood and urged people to step up their prayers for priests. One thing I'm learning from reading old reports and watching old videos is that for many people in the Church "Rome has spoken" only applies when Rome acts like their ventriloquist's dummy.
