The Crisis of the Church

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  1. padraig

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    Two of my very favourite people discussing the present Crisis in the Church.

     
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    Oh I don't know about getting angry. I am very angry. I am not so sure that getting angry is not such a very bad thing at the moment. I sometimes wonder if folks are not letting a lot of things that are going on in the Church at the moment fly over their heads a little too much.

     
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    I think that we can be angry, of course, but it is best not to demonstrate our anger because I believe that is exactly what satan wants us to do especially when this appears to be a time when even many of the elect are deceived (from Matthew 24:24).

    This past Sunday the pastor spoke about dealing with these troubling times and he reminded the congregation to pray. And this particular pastor can get excited about things at times, I know you know what I mean.

    I have not lost faith in the power of prayer, not at all. In fact, just the opposite. It is my go to. With out it I fear that I would have lost hope because, for instance, when people can show me a video of something that occurred last January 6th, 2020 and explain how they see something that is simply not there I know that I cannot reason with them and prayer is the only answer. This, of course, is only one example and you know there are far, far many more. +
     
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    I am glad you said this.
     
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    I am very,very
    angry/

    Why am I angry?

    Because I care so much.

    Don't tell me not to care so much.

    I've spent my entire life being angry about evil, I'm not going to stop now.
    Why?

    Because I'm Irish.

    That's why.


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    So true Carol. So absolutely true. Prayer is truly the only answer. I am convinced argument/
    debate is fruitless and even destructive. This has to be fought on the spiritual level.
     
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    Satan is the author of this division.
    I truly wish God would show me what to do with my anger at those who are destroying our church and our nations….
    Honestly, do we just pray or are we permitted to turn over the tables in the temple so to speak? I honestly do not know what is preferred by God. Just saying, we are struggling here. I wish I knew…but I just don’t. I fear that not fighting is acquiescing…? Perhaps I too am like Padraig….guess that’s how the phrase “Fighting Irish” came about.
    I’d sure prefer not to and pray that God sheds some needed light my way. By fighting, I’m talking about activism, not anything physical! I let that up to our army(y)
     
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    I think the kind of activism that changes the course of the world is people gathering together to pray and go on processions with the Eucharist or a holy statue of Mary...and as many Masses as we can attend, of course!

    During the 1940's statues of Mary were processed throughout Europe, with Catholics consecrating themselves to her at every parish she arrived at. Thousands of atheists, communists, and non-Christians were converted on the spot when Catholics carried her into their towns. A powerful outpouring of graces from Heaven did this.

    I think we Catholics need to return to this. We can do so little on our own. Our just anger really won't achieve much. It certainly won't convert thousands of atheists and communists! We need to humble ourselves, gather, and call upon God with Mary's help. Our outcry to Heaven and our love for Mary should be witnessed by the secular world, that they might have the chance to be awed and drawn in by the shower of graces Mary wishes to pour on them.
     
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    I’m afraid we are going to have to fight with more than just prayers. Soon a St Joan of Arc moment will be needed. May God help us all.
     
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    So few opportunities to gather for processions, etc, even exist in most modern parishes. I have found one convent where these beautiful traditional catholic practices still exist. Unfortunately now, they have had to stop them. I belong to a rosary group and find consolation among these good souls, yet church after church in my diocese is vacant of anything traditional and even worse, they are modernist who have set a horrible example of the faith to the flock. It is absolutely no wonder that the youth are leaving. The so called catholic schools, elementary and high school are mostly a joke. It’s a blessing that high school tuition is $15,000 a year because most families can’t afford it and therefore their children aren’t corrupted by their anti catholic teaching. A good amount of anti catholic teaching is causing the children to lose their faith all together. Parents have tried to correct these issues only to be ridiculed by the administration. I know this because I was a very involved parent and fought the system in every way imaginable. At some point, we have to figure out another way because what faithful parents are doing…if they haven’t given up trying, isn’t working. To continue to lose generations of children who leave the faith….and they are in droves, because we continue to allow this is not a solution. How many souls , how much longer can we afford to sit back? I don’t know the answer, but I think a accept combination of publicly lead Eucharistic processions combined with publicly lead protest are what is needed. How much longer are we going to let the Catholic Church cause our children to lose their faith with their modernist / evil and their continued abuse of children before we do anything.
    My diocese is filled with absolute filth…I know many others are not this bad….but eventually they will be.
    Is it any wonder that good faithful families want the traditional Latin mass? It is to save the faith…. You think maybe this is why the Vatican wants to end it? Seriously….it’s pretty plain to see the evil that is coming out of the Vatican. Now the pope has left go a cardinal who will not bless homosexual unions…? Really? When are Catholics going to stand up and say enough is enough. The wolves are attacking the sheep ….we can’t continue to allow this.
     
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    Padraig, I am definitely not telling you to not be angry, not at all. I am Irish too, I am born in the USA but you know my mom is from Belfast - Falls Road.

    I'm just thinking about the advice that Fr. Gerald Murray and Dr. Scott Hahn gave us in that video clip - to imitate Christ (as best that we can).

    I think that if we use our anger more strategically hopefully we can help others see the Light and I constantly remind myself what Our Blessed Mother told us to do along with several other saints and that is to pray.

    I also think about what Sister Sasagawa was told by an angel on 10/6/2019 -
    “Put on ashes and pray for a repentant rosary every day. You (Sr. Agnes) must become like a child and make sacrifice every day.”+
    https://wqphradio.org/2019/10/a-new-message-from-sister-agnes-of-our-lady-of-akita/

    I do like what Alexander Tschugguel did when he threw those pachamamas in the Tiber River. (y) Imho, that was a Saint Joan of Arc like moment.
     
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    I must admit you are right.

    Getting angry won't help.

    All the same I was happy to see people getting angry and booing Cardinal Cupich. One or two rotten tomato's would not have gone amiss.:):)

    I see he had, 'Private security'. What on Earth is a Cardinal of the Catholic Church doing with highly expensive , 'Security' when meeting his own flock

    It's a bit like a father hiring protection from his own children...?

     
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    Bless them.

    Sometimes there are happy surprises though. Our Bishop and priests in our Diocese, the second largest in Ireland, have been very supportive of Traditionalists. This both surprised and delighted me.

    It just goes to show, you never know...From what I have read the vast majority of Bishops and clergy throughout the world have been very,very good. It's just that the bad eggs like Cupich have a much higher profile.
     
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    Well sadly, the good ones are getting sidelined by the bad ones…and this is getting worse. The pope is doing everything he can to end the traditional mass. Do you do nothing until there are only old gray haired Catholics left with the exception of the minority faithful youth. Can we really afford to not take action while countless souls continue to lose their faith? The very thing that was growing the faithful youth was the traditional Latin mass….and the pope doesn’t much like our “ rigidity” and wants to end it too. Incrementally if not addressed, it will end. The modernist are running the show…not the traditional clerics. That is evident.

    I fear that “the smoke of satan” has entered the Vatican. I pray I’m wrong, but the smoke is filling up the room and where there is smoke, there is fire….IMO.
     
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    I have been engaged in reading the 'Poem of the Man God' for the past few months and I am now at the crucifixion. What strikes me is how Jesus and Mary showed no anger at any point towards those who wrongly accused, vilified, unjustly judged and crucified Jesus. The truth was always attested to by Jesus but he did not entertain anger. He looked on all his tormenters with love. This is why Longius could say at the end 'this truly is the Son of God.'
    Jesus and Mary prayed for Judas and tried to reach out to him but he chose death himself.
    I think we really have to pray especially to Our Lady in these times to crush the head of the serpent.
    Cardinal Burke is a great example to us.
     
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    Truly, she was born to do it.
    God help us see what we need to be doing in addition to prayer.
     
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    I agree that our approach needs to be with love and prayer…but we need action too. We are losing this battle I fear…
    And souls are being lost to hell. Do we just let this continue….?
    I don’t have the answers, but what were not doing isn’t working. I don’t know what to do, I just can’t see sitting back watching souls die is acceptable. Many of us have been praying….I guess I’m losing patience. I can’t stand the evil coming from the church hierarchy. I see too much and have personally witnessed too much. Nothing of real consequence being done while souls are being devoured by these wolves.
     
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