Can You Criticize the Clergy...Even the Pope?

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  1. padraig

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    Dear God have mercy on us! It keeps getting worse and worse. These Devils, these Demons dressed in the robes of Cardinals!!

    Oh God step in and save us from this total wickedness!

    ..and where is Our Holy Father the Pope in all of this?

    May God have Mercy on us all.

    Terrible, terrible times.

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=53759

    Key Synod cardinal: Catholic teaching on homosexuality is ‘false’
    February 03, 2022

    Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, SJ, of Luxembourg, who has been appointed Relator General of the concluding meeting of the Synod of Bishops in October 2023, has called for a revision of Catholic teaching on homosexuality.

    In an interview with the German Catholic news agency KNA, Cardinal Hollerich, who is also president of the Commission of the Bishops’ Conferences of the EU (COMECE), said that there are homosexual priests and lay employees in his archdiocese, and that it would not be Christian to fire them.

    Asked, “How do you get around the Church’s teaching that homosexuality is sin?”, he replied:

    I believe that this is false. But I also believe that here we are thinking further about the teaching. So, as the Pope has said in the past, this can lead to a change in teaching.

    So I believe that the sociological-scientific foundation of this teaching is no longer correct. What one formerly condemned was sodomy. One thought at that time that in the sperm of the man, the whole child was kept. And one has simply transferred this to homosexual men.

    But there is no homosexuality at all in the New Testament. There is only discussion of homosexual acts, which were to some extent pagan cultic acts. That was naturally forbidden. I believe it is time for us to make a revision in the foundation [Grundrevision: “ground revision,” or “foundation revision”] of the teaching.

    (Cardinal Hollerich appears to link Catholic teaching on homosexuality to certain preformationist theories of embryonic development.)

    The Luxembourg prelate also said that if he were Cardinal Rainer Maria Woelki of Cologne, he would resign. Following an investigation into Cardinal Woelki’s handling of abuse allegations, Pope Francis granted him a leave of absence and allowed him to remain in office. The investigation found failures in communication, but no evidence of covering up evidence.

    In addressing an earlier interview question on needed changes in the Church, Cardinal Hollerich said that “we cannot give the answers of the past to the questions of tomorrow.”

    “The change in civilization we are witnessing today is the greatest change since the invention of the wheel,” he added. “The Church has always moved with the times and has always adapted. But one always had much more time to do that. Today we must be faster. Otherwise, we lose contact and can no more be understood.”

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    I'm sorry but I just have to come right out and say it,

    How many of these Cardinals, these Demons, are themselves sexual perverts?

    I am really, really starting to wonder. No one will ask the question, but it's something that needs to be asked.

    By the way this Cardinal is yet another Jesuit.

    The Jesuits really, really need to be disbanded.
     
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    Ive come to the same conclusion Padraig. Sell off there liberal colleges. There almost only for the rich now. I would let the Dominicans take them over. Clean up there order as well.
     
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    It is painful to even think about this, but I fear it is the driving force behind the push to accept homosexuality. :cry:
     
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    This is painfully sad for those struggling with same sex attraction as they will be led away from God. If homosexuality is “ blessed” by the church, those responsible for this will be accountable to God.
     
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    I’m convinced that the primary reason for the current war on the Traditional Latin Mass is that with the TLM comes traditional moral theology, with its condemnation of sodomy and pederasty. The attack on tradition is simply the facade used by those who attack and hope to destroy traditional Catholic moral theology.
     
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    Exactly, and by destroying traditional moral theology enabling the destruction of the Family.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    I don't know if any of you listened to the video of Scott Hahn and Fr Gerald Murray talking, posted above. It's quite short, only about ten minutes and well worth listening to.

    In it Scott Hahn tells a little story. A woman friend of his had same sex attractions and went to her local priest in Confession to talk about it. The Father told her that she should go to her local Gay Night Club and tell everyone openly that she was Gay and celebrate it.

    The lady told the priest that she was leaving the box but before doing so she warned him that he himself needed to go to Confession, that he was in grave sin because of his very bad moral attitude.

    Stories like that could turn your hair white. I find they still shock me. Do they turn me of the Faith? No. I think one thing immunises me a lot is having what our Evangelical Protestant sisters and brothers call, 'A personal living relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ'. What we Catholics call a good prayer life. Scriptures warns us not be scandalised by the faults of others. I take it this means not let the failings down of others affect our own Faith. If it's their problem not to let it become our own. Rather like one dog with fleas meeting another dog with fleas. Making sure the fleas on their back don't become our own fleas.

    Another thing I find helps is an understanding that we too may be to blame. For instance I know a priest who is very ,very well known locally but appears to be a chronic drunk. I have heard numerous reports including one taxi driver who told me himself and other drivers have had to physically carry him into his monastery at nights because he was so incapable. This priest when he heard confessions did not let people enter the box. He did not hear their sins he simply stood their called people up in a line and blessed them all very quickly with the Absolution blessing. So he could get through confession with loads of people very,very quickly. Well you know looking back on it, I went along with it for years. I should not have let him do this with me. I should never have went along with it. This was my fault , not just his.

    I find it keeps my feet on the ground a lot when I consider my own faults in all this.

    Another thing, when I hear priests preaching heresy, as I sometimes do; it humbles me when I recall that in my younger days I believed exactly the same bad things they preach. This helps keep my nose to the grindstone.:)

    But on the other hand , I don't think it helps to pretend these things are not happening. To talk about them in idle gossip, especially when we name names , gossiping for gossiping sake, is not good. But on the other hand ostrich head in the sand is not good either.
     
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    I've a famous friend who's taken an interest in my writing efforts. I'd known OF him since late 1980s. We have a mutual personal liking of each other.

    And I'm sad to say that what I originally (late 1980s / early 1990s) thought was simply his WILD imagination, unique to him, has now turned out to be ... rather trendy???! Body modification. Gender ambiguity. Etc. On first reading of those things in a novel of his, years ago, I thought it was his WILD imagination.

    But no.

    In seeing old interviews with him, he (at the time - late 1980s) gently knocks the traditional family; that childhood schoolmates drew houses, suns, and their family while he'd draw exotic things. He came from a traditional family. Is gay.

    I now understand that I am to pray for him, and I do. He'd HATE my being Catholic now. He hates Catholicism. So I don't mention it.

    It's a heartache. I still love him as a friend, always will.

    How stunning, all of this; that's going on all around.
     
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    Maybe when these things no longer have the power to shock and upset us, then that will be the time to be really, really worried.

    The time when we take all this for granted and it no longer even gives us even pause for thought.
     
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    This has always been a concern of mine...that a very slow desensitization will creep in over all of us. I pray not.

    The worst thing for me is wondering how and when to explain these things to my children. I'm shielding them from it entirely now, but the acceptance and push for celebration by society means more and more outward obvious signs of it are in everyday public life.

    A few days ago, I was grocery shopping with my family when a 10 or 11 year old boy came walking down the frozen aisle in a mini skirt and tights. I watched my 8 year old son turn and silently take note of this strange sight. He never said a word to me about it and I decided to say nothing as well. I would have said, "Could be a girl with short hair..." if asked.

    I hate that at some point I may be forced to muddy my child's innocent and straightforward understanding of the world by explaining these things before I would have otherwise.

    Then again, there may not be much to explain. I remember my first experience seeing a cross-dresser in my early teens. I asked my mother, "Why is that man dressed like a woman?" Her short and casual response: "Honey, some people do strange things." We both left it at that. I see the wisdom in leaving it short and simple.

    Then again, today is not like it was only 20 years ago.
     
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    Sadly, this is true. :cry:
     
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    So hard to protect your children's innocence. I think you did the right thing PF, your son knew something was not right with that boy. :(
     
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    As my father used to say "it's all of a piece"---all connected. The discomfort with tradition and the Latin Mass goes back to Pius X or maybe before. The apostolic letter on modernism lays it out. Priests currently who hate the traditional Mass were young in the 60's and 70's when everything was confused and in flux. They cling to those outworn "modern" ideas that have become so tired and futile. So sad.
     
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    Saint John Vianney, the Cure of Ars used to be very strict about this. If someone came into the Church improperly dressed he would pull them and ask them to leave. Also one of the very first things he did was to close down the drinking establishments and dances.

    I don't think he was alone in this at that period and even long after. Priests in Ireland were not all shy of naming people and families even from the pulpit. But we have all of us lost our sense of direction of certainty of knowing exactly what is right and what is wrong.

    The saddest thing is that if you were to look at your average Catholic and compare them to wider , Secular Society could we tell any difference? Don't most Catholics really believe and live their lives the same way as everyone else? Is there anything that really sets us apart?

    ...and the whole aim of the Modernist Clerical Leaders is to marry us to the world, to make us all the same, like robots. That includes dressing the same.


    Which is why they agreed so quickly to the Lock Downs and Mandates and jabs and masks and closed their Churches so quickly.

    They would rather die than stand out and be different.

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    6For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and self-control. 8So do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, or of me, His prisoner. Instead, join me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God.…


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