How to defeat the Gay Lobby in the Church

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by DesertStar7, Feb 5, 2022.

  1. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 Guest

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=53759

    Key Synod cardinal: Catholic teaching on homosexuality is ‘false’

    Borrowing that from a member of this forum. And after this, I've said my peace.

    1. All of the Old Testament Patriarchs and Jewish religious leaders were married men who fathered children.

    2. All of Christ's Apostles, INCLUDING PETER, were married men who fathered children.

    3. St. Paul to Timothy: (1 Timothy 3:2-5)

    4. Because Christ is PRESUMED to have been celibate, the tradition of our Church is that our Priesthood should also be celibate. But, as we know, some believe Christ married Mary Magdalene and had at least one child with her. I am NOT saying I believe this. But if it were true, Christ still remained sinless and without guile, as the Bonds of Matrimony and having children within those bonds is NOT a sin.

    5. Nowhere in Scripture is celibacy for religious leaders mandated, that I'm aware.

    I think it's time for the laity to demand, if they agree, that members of the Priesthood be married men who are pro-family (their own) and will (if able) produce children with their wife. To recruit Protestant ministers with wives and children to convert and serve.

    Also, if the Vatican were to flat-out refuse this consideration, the laity should refuse tithing and attendance until the Gay Lobby agrees to shut up, repent, and change. It'll be sad that good Father ______ is now saying the Mass for 15 people instead of 125, but...

    We know that the Tyranny of the Minority will NOT stop with "It's okay that Father ______ is Gay."

    I've said my peace.
     
  2. Carmel333

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    Married Priests are NOT the answer! The TRUTH is the answer. The scripture is full of condemnation of homosexuality, and only idiots would disagree with that. It is for the laity to be the example and voice for the Vocation of Marriage, and obviously they have failed badly. Especially with the scandalous and all too common insistence on church annulments by everyone who basically just wants to commit adultery with a blessing. You would think that Catholics only care about romantic relationships, which is exactly what the rest of the world is caring about and thinks is most important in life. But we are supposed to be above all this worldly stuff, like Jesus, His Apostles, His Priests and followers who left everything to follow Him! Marriage needs to be defined by God and sacred as a Vocation between Man and Woman, to beget holy children, and until death do us part, whatever happens. People who choose religious vocations are "married" to God, and they spend their time, affection, and whole soul with HIM, not with a human partner.
     
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  3. Byron

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    I agree with you. But it is not dogma for a priest never to marry. So, it’s possible. I feel one of the the reasons for keeping the tradition of unmarried priests is an economical one. It takes money to support a family. And if the marriage breaks up? It’s just too complicated.
     
  4. TinNM

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    So, the model, ultimate model for celibacy is Jesus Himself.

    The inspiration for being a single minister from my reading comes from Paul. To love God with our whole heart, the first commandment.

    1 Corinthians 7 seems to define much of his teaching.

    1 Corinthians 7 RSVCE - Directions concerning Marriage - Now - Bible Gateway


    Mark 12:29-31
    Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition


    29 Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; 30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
    If one can do it, so be it. That's the catch.
     

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