China and Vatican's Silence

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  1. SteveD

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    Even Indian media are querying Pope Francis' apparent subservience to the CCP, the red dragon of Apocalypse.


     
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    Truly shocking. For some reason to which we will never be privy, Francis has sold out the true Roman Catholic Church in China led by his eminence Cardinal Zen, in favour of the state sponsored "Patriotic Catholic Church" in which "bishops " are appointed by the state. A man is not a bishop if he has been appointed by any state. Only the holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church has the divine right to appoint bishops
     
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    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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    We have to remember the CCP is no match for the Holy Spirit.
     
  4. Sunnyveil

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    The speculation is that the Vatican is receiving $2 billion per year for selling the Catholic Church in China to the Communist Chinese Party. If true what servants of God would do such a thing? The answer: none would. False shepherds, freemasons, sodomites, new world order lackeys would.

    While Divine Providence will sort this out, right now, it seems as more of a punishment and test for the faithful. Will we follow the true Church or call it above our pay grade, something we just can't hope to understand, and put on our mask (and goggles ) and eventually apostasize.
     
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    Inflation has had a big effect on thirty pieces of silver.

    There are difficult times ahead. The important thing is to remain in the Church, no matter how bad it seems to get. And it might get very bad. Even if the Church has to face the mockery of a transexual pope and his 'husband', She will still remain the Body of Christ. It might even become impossible to find a heteronormative, faithful, male priest, but we must still cling on. Christ Himself and His Holy Mother might be all we will have left, but this will be enough.
     
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    Well said, DeGaulle.
     
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  7. Blizzard

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    The Vatican’s silence is deafening indeed.

    I wouldn’t like to be in their shoes when they’ll have to come before the Just Judge and explain why they betrayed millions and enthusiastically supported the most cruel dictatorship on earth.

    China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53650246
     
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  9. WARNING....GRAPHIC....EVEN HEADLINE!

    China: Uyghur Doctor Says She Killed Infants, Tore Wombs out of Women


    An unnamed Uyghur woman who claims to have worked as a gynecologist in Xinjiang, the Chinese province that Uyghur people are native to, told the U.K.’s ITV News in an interview broadcast Wednesday that she personally sterilized women, forced them to abort children, killed infants, and tore out wombs.

    The woman, currently a refugee in Turkey, now works as an apparently clandestine doctor in Istanbul helping other Uyghur refugees by finding contraceptive devices they may have unknowingly had implanted and helping them assess the damage Chinese doctors may have done to their reproductive systems.

    The Uyghur people are an ethnic Turkic people native to East Turkestan, their name for Xinjiang province, China’s westernmost and largest region. China has waged a campaign many call genocide against them for years, escalating aggression in the past decade by forcing as many as 3 million Uyghurs and other ethnic Turkic people into concentration camps, where survivors say they endured torture, slavery, rape, and some were fitted for live organ harvesting.

    Chinese Communist Party officials have also bulldozed historic Uyghur sites like mosques and cemeteries or outfitted others with banners and murals praising communism. In one particularly egregious incident, the Communist Party replaced a storied Uyghur mosque with a public toilet.

    “In 20 years, I participated in at least 500-600 operations, including forced contraception, forced abortion, and sterilization, and forced removal of wombs [hysterectomies],” the unnamed doctor told ITV News. “We’d go village to village, gather all the women and herd them onto tractors. Young women were fitted with contraceptive devices.”

    “Pregnant women would have to have an abortion then sterilization. We even inserted birth control implants into women’s upper arms to prevent pregnancy. This is how the government persecuted Uyghur women,” she narrated.

    The woman described the goal of the anti-birth campaigns as “ethnic cleansing,” eliminating the Uyghur population from China.

    “We were asked to believe this was part of the Communist Party’s population control plan. At the time, I thought it was my job,” the woman said. “I felt sorry to see the killing of a small baby, but I never fully realized its damage to the nation. Now I feel such regret.”

    ITV noted that the woman now helps Uyghurs in Istanbul by checking for secret contraceptive devices or ensuring that their uteruses are still in their bodies. She reportedly does this work in the back of a beauty salon.

    ITV News noted that it could not independently verify her testimony. Yet others have gone on the record to report similar crimes.

    Hasiyet Abdulla, a Uyghur obstetrician, told Radio Free Asia (RFA) last month that doctors in Xinjiang were “forced to abort and kill babies born in excess of family planning limits or who were in utero less than three years after the mother’s previous birth.”

    “The regulations were so strict: there had to be three or four years between children. There were babies born at nine months who we killed after inducing labor. They did that in the maternity wards because those were the orders,” Abdullah said, noting that some babies were killed “after they’d been born.” Those cases reportedly occurred in instances where a woman would come to a hospital in labor with an “illegal” child, Abdullah said, and the mother would not know the child was killed until after she gave birth.

    Among the earliest Uyghur doctors to testify to medical atrocities in Xinjiang in Enver Tohti, who said he personally cut the liver and kidneys out of a living man and was forced to leave him to do. Tohti said the gruesome crime occurred in Xinjiang in 1995; he believes the man was a political prisoner shot seconds before Communist Party officers forced Tohti to extract his organs.

    In March, an international tribunal concluded that sufficient evidence existed to concludethat China was still, to this day, systematically removing organs from living political prisoners to sell them for millions on the black market. In addition to Uyghurs, Falun Gong practitioners (most of whom are Han) and human rights activists were prime candidates for organ theft.

    In an extensive investigation on the matter of killing Uyghur children, the Associated Press concluded in June that the Communist Party had subjected hundreds of thousands of Uyghur women to forced abortions, forced sterilization, and the forced use of contraceptives in a bid to commit “genocide.”

    “The state regularly subjects minority women to pregnancy checks, and forces intrauterine devices, sterilization and even abortion on hundreds of thousands, the interviews and data show. Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang,” the AP noted.

    Those who did not comply with regulations often ended up in concentration camps, the AP reported, where officials would forced them to perform dramatic apologies for having children in front of other prisoners. One witness speaking to the AP said she saw a woman apologize because she “gave birth to too many children” only to have a Communist Party official reply, “you ethnic minorities are shameless, wild, and uncivilized.”

    Zumuret Dawut, a former concentration camp prisoner, told Radio Free Asia a year ago that the Communist Party forcibly sterilized her.

    “On the day of my operation, I was taken inside the operating room, all I remember was that I was given an infusion. When I opened my eyes … There was no medical staff, doctors or nurses It was a very cold day, and I was covered with only a thin bed sheet,” she recalled. “No one was allowed to visit from outside. When I looked around I heard other women moaning from pain. Once the effect of the anaesthetic wore off, I felt a sharp pain in my lower abdominal.”

    The Communist Party does not deny the existence of the concentration camps, but insists they are “vocational training centers” where ethnic minorities learn job skills to compete with Han people in the Chinese economy.

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020...s-she-killed-infants-tore-wombs-out-of-women/
     
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    The description of the Communist assault on the Uyghur people seems like one of Hell.
     
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    Thats what I thought. Hell on earth.
     
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    It would turn your hair white.

    The less I think about the Holy Father and the Vatican the happier I am.
     
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    it is possible that the guidelines for the appointment of bishops by the Chinese government end the apostolic succession in the country, as if the Chinese Church has become a cut off branch from the unity of the Church.
     
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    AidanK A great sinner

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    Absolutely. Any bishop appointed by any government is not an heir of the 12,apostles
     
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    I think the way it works at the moment the Communists can nominate the Bishop but the Holy Father decides if can get it.

    Weird is a mild word to describe this.
     
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    They are successors of the Apostles if they are properly consecrated and approved by the Pope. They're Bishops whether we like it or not, and every Bishop has apostolic succession. Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. He made no promises that Popes would be good vicars or make wise decisions. Not every successor of the Apostles serves God faithfully but the Holy Spirit tends to get us back on track after a period of bad leadership.

    Everything happening in the Church now was probably planned long before the 2013 Conclave, including Amoris Laetitia, Laudato Si, embracing sodomy, downplaying the evil of abortion, Communion for Protestants, the Amazon Synod and the China agreement. Humanism is likely the next stage in the unveiling of the plan.

    Looks like the carry-on is Germany was also pre-planned. It won't give us women priests (at least not in the short term) but could very well give us women Cardinals or some made up title carrying the same authority as a Bishop. At least the first batch of female not quite cardinals but with a role in choosing the next Pope or revising Canon Law are likely to be Catholic. That will give the "respectable" Catholic media an excuse to nod their heads in approval and praise Pope Francis for avoiding a German schism. I wouldn't count on their successors being baptised let alone Catholic. We can consider ourselves lucky if one or more of them isn't transgender, giving us our first Cardinal Joan formerly known as John.

    We're in for a rough ride, and all we can do is pray, hope and try not to worry too much. At least we are free to practice our faith now, unlike our Chinese brothers and sisters. Maybe they wouldn't be suffering so much if we had prayed more.


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  17. Blizzard

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    Sure is a strange way of implementing the social doctrine of the Church but hey who am I to judge.

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    I get such a bad feeling looking at the faces of these three people. I certainly would not be playing poker with one of them.

    That Bishop Sorando in the middle reminds me Christopher Lee in Dracula.

    Grab a Cross and and some Holy Water and run away screaming while it is still day light.:);)

    (I thought the first teamer McCarrick was bad)

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