Why did Pope Francis deny Co-Redemptrix? (again)

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    He seems to have a fear of referring to Mary as co redemptrix.

    Perhaps he wants to appease the Protestant apostates. Who knows?

    He upgrades Martin Luther heretic and downgrades our Lady

    Sad times
     
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    What is strange to me, when we were children adults and teachers used to say to us; when we make the morning offering and at specific times of suffering, if we offer our suffering up to God, we can unite our sufferings with Jesus's sufferings and thereby work as co redeemers with Jesus, through Jesus. All to make reparation for our own sins and those of our fellow man. Are they saying this no longer applies.

    I wonder if the new rejection of Mary Co redemptrix is a denial of the Sacrifice of Atonement for our sins, made by Jesus at the One True Holy Sacrifice of His life at the Crucifixion. If we no longer acknowledge A Redeemer why would we acknowledge a Co redemptrix.

    I did bring a question to the Forum a few years ago, because I noticed there was a change in the wording during Holy Mass. We were always taught, the Holy Mass is THE ONE TRUE HOLY Sacrifice offered in ATONEMENT to God for our sins, made by Jesus Christ. And each Holy Mass unites us at the foot of the Cross on Calvary on the day of Jesus Crucifixion. Mass is a memorial, a commemoration and mystically renews that One True Holy Sacrifice, in an unbloodied manner.

    If you listen carefully at each Holy Mass said in English the word ATONEMENT is no longer used for the last 7 to 10 years. The Priest now says sacrifice of RECONCILLIATION, and I have even heard Priests say sacrifice of CONLILLIATION. This is in the last 7 to 10 years. Confession and Absolution is or always was the Roman Catholic understanding of RECONCILLIATION from what I was taught as a child. Protestants have other ideas of course.

    We were taught that when we go to Confessions we are RECONCILING our souls with our God, and the Grace was won by Jesus Christ on Calvary when He was Crucified.

    I believe protestants believe the service they perform, is reconciling them to God. I hope it is for their sake; but Catholics always believed we had to confess our sins to a Priest who was given the power and authorised to forgive in Jesus Name, when we do what Dismas (known as the good thief) did, that is admit our sins, humble ourselves before a Priest who acts in Persona Christi and ask Jesus for forgiveness.

    I wonder if anyone else on the Forum is ready to connect the dots by now, of what I am trying to bring to everyone's attention. The vernacular Mass has been changed for 7 to 10 years as far as I am concerned, which is why I like to attend the FSSP where I believe the Sacrifice of Atonement is still acknowledged and observed. IMHO
     
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    We have been waiting for a Pope to speak ex cathedra and officially declare Mary as Co-Redemptrix and Mediatrix of All Graces. Guess this Pope isn’t the one :(
     
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    I have been watching this wonderful series a fellow forum member recommended called the Days of Elijah. You can find it on thecomingtriumph.com

    one of the episodes is about Marian Apparitions and they talk quite a bit about how Mary always appears with her hands open to distribute graces. For instance the miraculous medal, our lady of Guadalupe and our lady of All Nations. They also propose her triumph will come when the pope makes our lady mediatrix of grace and co redemptrix the 5th Marian dogma....


    But did anyone read the news report of Pope Francis blessing a statue of our lady in Iraq which had been destroyed by isis? They cut off the head and hands. Church members had found the head and body and repaired but they were unable to find the hands. This is not critical of the pope blessing the statue, I just feel it is prophetic and wonder what it means. A warning the church is working without many graces which could be available from Our Lady?

    would love to hear other thoughts? This has made me uneasy and concerned.
     
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    Maybe I dreamed about Pope Francis praying before a statue of Mary night before last ... because of this?!

    Wasn't at all in mind prior to falling asleep, or Pope Francis himself.
     
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    The statue of Our Lady in Our Lady's house at Ephesus has both hands missing. When a team searched for the house in 1890's based on Blessed Anna Catherine Emmerich's description of the house they found the statue of Blessed Virgin in the ruins of the house and they left the statue just as it was. I don't know if it signifies anything other than a sacred image of Mary surviving all the attempts of evil to wipe out her memory
     
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  9. If anything, all this ever-constant news out there of what Pope Francis thinks/says/does at every waking moment has propelled me into being exponentially more diligent about praying for him on all counts. THAT is my duty of charity to Our Lord in regards to the Holy Father. If I do not listen to the Holy Spirit on this point, then I risk despising the man himself and not simply despising his consistently confusing messages. This is what diabolical disorientation does. God the Father made it very clear to St. Catherine of Sienna how she should pray consistently for prelates/Pope who were off the rails. St. Catherine, pray for us!
     
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    Thank you for this valuable insight. Point is well taken. Not much else we can do at this point but pray, but pray we must.
     
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    Correct! 100% agree.
     
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    I agree. The latest message from Medjugorje asks us to retain our hope and joy and place everything in the hands of our most high God so be at peace God has everything in hand. We must do our part and pray, hope and love.
     
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