https://www.ilfoglio.it/chiesa/2018...-e-donna-l-aborto-selettivo-e-nazismo-200851/ Been busy and not around so not sure if this has been posted today Translated... "The family in the image of God is one, the one between man and woman", said the Pope during the audience granted this morning to the members of the Forum of family associations. Francesco spoke in arm because the prepared text, he said, "seems a bit cold". "Today - it hurts to say - we are talking about 'diversified' families: different types of families Yes, it is true that the word 'family' is an analogical word, because we talk about the 'family' of the stars, the 'families' of the trees, the 'families' of animals ... it is an analogical word, but the human family as an image of God, man and woman, is only one, it is only one: it may be that a man and a woman are not believers: but if they love and unite in marriage, they are the image and likeness of God
Well, so far as this goes between man and woman I think it raises an interesting question. Even in ignorance of the fullness of the truth I think it is possible that men and women can desire what has been given by God to place in the hearts of man and woman and maybe even not understand the significance of this. It is a natural law I think that is written on our hearts. If they honor their marriage are they giving glory to God even in their ignorance of the fullness of Truth and even professed unbelief? I have a hard time believing this is possible personally without Gods Grace because even among those who profess belief in God a great many live according to the desires of the flesh. We take vows when we marry that we will love and obey God, honor each other until death through all that might come our ways and yet how many of our families are racked by divorce. Is it possible to honor this vow with a profession of unbelief? It reminds me of a court which a witness steps forward and rather than swearing to profess the Truth with God as his witness instead swears to profess the Truth on their own witness. Like the Spanish atheist PM who was recently sworn in using his personal promise and honor in lieu of obedience to God. It is a completely worthless vow. Maybe I am reading too much into it...
He also likened abortion to Nazi-ism. But we don't need to be talking about that all the time. There are whales to be saved so man-made climate change takes priority.
It’s all over the mainstream media... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/europe/pope-abortion-eugenics---intl/index.html Pope Francis says abortion to avoid birth defects is similar to Nazi crimes https://www.wsj.com/articles/pope-francis-likens-abortion-to-nazi-eugenics-1529178587 Pope Francis Likens Abortion to Nazi Eugenics https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...on-equivalent-nazi-eugenics-crimes/707661002/ Pope: Abortion is ‘white glove’ equivalent to Nazi crimes http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-pope-abortion-20180617-story.html Pope Francis on abortion: It's what the Nazis did, only with 'white gloves'
Im not as surprised at what he said about abortion. I am surprised about the family is one man and one women there is no other way to define family in eyes of God comment. Sure we know it, but that is not skirting around the issue like he has done so much in the past.
It could give you whiplash. The sudden bends and turns in papal remarks. Well God bless him for saying it so forthrightly!!!!
Let's hope and pray that he's going to stick with this course from now on. Even if the reason is the realisation that he's not immune from the 'biological solution'. It is great to see headlines like this around the world.
I don't think the argument is one in any way relevant to atheism. I take it as a theologically sound one, to the effect that a man and a woman united in marriage are in a bond that is in the image of God, no matter what they believe or of they believe nothing. The emphasis is on the state of marriage, not their beliefs. I take it that he uses this example to underline the sacred nature of marriage itself. To me, it is a strong rebuke to the homosexualists, not the first of recent times. Let's keep up our prayers for Pope Francis.
So very true. This is the exact nub of the problem. There is nothing worse than someone saying or doing one thing one moment then doing or saying something else the exact opposite the next. It is not so much the Rock of Peter as the Jelly of Peter. In a supposed Spiritual Leader this is nothing short or depicable. Apparently he was the exact same in Argentina. If he was meeting a group of Marxist Trade Unionists he would be a Marxist; if he was meeting a group of Industrialists he was Capitalism's best friend. Whatever way suited the wind he blew. He is still blowing hot and cold as the wind suits. Typical Peronist; whatever pleases. All smoke and mirrors. If he was talking to a Coven of witches he'd probably show up on a broomstick.
Double up the prayers in case this is the "Pope Francis is really Catholic" defence in preparation for the next Apostolic exhortation encouraging a "we won't call it marriage" type of accompaniment on the lines of the Catholic divorce sanctioned in Amoris Laetitia.
Indeed, if Emma Bonino had been promoting abortion as a solution for underprivileged Jews rather than poor Africans, would he have made the cover of Time magazine for lauding her as a forgotten great?
I wish Pope Francis had said this before the Irish people voted on abortion. But I am so glad he is saying this clearly, the left often describes evil by saying it is a Nazi thing, well, there it is. If you support abortion you're supporting Nazi crimes.
The cynic in me suspects that this comment is a response to the questions asked about his silence prior to the Irish referendum which gave high profile Irish modernist priests the nod to sit on the fence rather than encourage their followers to vote against legalising an intrinsic evil. I'm also suspicious that the papers who usually hail him as the herald of change in Catholic doctrine have reported this now that the damage is done. Ireland has now copied the rest of the world whereby one set of abortion supporting politicians will be supposedly promoting Catholic social justice doctrine as they push for abortion for any reason whatsoever while the other set of politicians, having already brought us abortion, will tout for Catholic votes by claiming to be the only people who will put restrictions on abortion as they make themselves and their friends richer at the expense of everyone else. Hypocrites, each and every one of them, and I'm afraid our Pope is no exception.
We should not allow ourselves to fall prey to cynicism. Everyone has the opportunity to convert and we never can predict the moment. Saint Paul was once a killer of Christians. I am thankful for the small mercy that, at least for this few days, a lot of liberals are having one of these 'spittle-flecked nutties'.
He has converted then? Just like that. Sorry, I didn't realise, I must be out of the loop. That's really good news. Great. So everything's alright then. Sorry for being cynical, I can't think how that happened. Thanks for setting me straight. Just like St Paul then? So that's that alright then....and he may have annoyed some Liberals too, all in the one day? Wonderful news. No more worries. Thanks.
I try, DeGaulle, but it gets ever harder. At this stage, I'm tending towards leaving Pope Francis for God to sort out and concentrating instead on praying for his successor. That successor will be in even greater need of our prayers because he will either be Pope Francis on steroids or a very holy Pope despised by the world and a majority of Bishops for unequivocally speaking God's truth both in and out of season.
I understand how you feel. Still, I can't bring myself to give up on Pope Francis. I'm a Catholic, and he's my Pope- the last kind I'd want, but I intend to keep saying my daily three Hail Mary's for him. It certainly is only right and sensible to pray for a worthy successor. We're going to need a great pope, but we may not deserve one. Yeah, it gets ever harder...
