The present Year of Faith comes to a close in November. Do you think the Pope could declare the next year to be the year of Fatima? He has already consecrated his papacy to Our Lady of Fatima. Perhaps the consecration of Russia would take place in that year.
Our Lady of Fatima told Lucia that the "Consecration to Russia would come late". This tells me that before the Fatima consecration comes, "Communism would be at it's worst", as our Lady of Garabandal foretold. Then the Pope and bishops united to him will make the consecration. I think the consecration will come in 2016 (the year of the Warning [my speculation] ) and the Miracle foretold at Garabandal will come in 2017 (strictly speculation, but my "gut" feeling tells me this is the end of the 100 year reign of Satan over earth) and it is the 100th anniversary of Fatima. Mary will crush the serpants head. If the time period that scripture talks a bout for the trubulation is 42 months and Mary crushes his head in May of 2017, then the 3 1/2 years period would start in November of 2013 [all speculative timing]. One last thought. The Church schism, [soon to take place] will make the number of Bishops united with the Pope for the consecration very small in numbers, but will make the consecration more easlily performed as well.
I too believe that the future Garabandal prophesied events are the continuation and conclusion of Fatima. I don't think its any accident Sister Lucy and Conchita met, and Conchita keeps a second small home there,all tie into his papacy consecration to Fatima.
This is close to what I perceive as well. However, I would like to know what you guys think about the timing of the Chastisement then. It comes after the Miracle, but before the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, I assume. In that sense, do you think the consecration of Russia comes after the Warning, but before the Miracle (or is it after the Miracle, but before the Chastisement)? I guess you could make theoretical markers on a timeline that could be things like: Increase of communism and persecution (maybe under various names, but more prevalent than today) The Warning The Consecration of Russia The Miracle (Spring of either 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017) The Chastisement The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart (maybe May 2017, maybe October 2017) Era of Peace I think this would be better as an actual theoretical timeline graphic....
Jon, I believe it is a little presumptuous to believe the Chastisement is of short duration. I think that the year 2017 might very well prove to be a benchmark, but considering all that must still play out, 2017 could be the year we witness a definitive Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart. A more extended period of Chastisement is probable, as I see it. Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
That was my point. Nobody is mentioning the Chastisement in this chronology. If you start thinking that the Miracle is destined to be at the end of Satan's reign (around 2017), and that it also coincides with the consecration of Russia, then you have to assume that some extended period of suffering comes after the consecration of Russia (2018-?), culminating in the Chastisement. Then the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart brings about the era of peace (2018-2020?). This seems counterintuitive, since the end of Satan's 100 years should not then be followed by 3 or more years of even greater darkness and evil. Should it (post 2017)? The alternate idea is that the Warning and the Miracle come earlier in the timeline (2013-2015), in the midst of increasing communism (which begins to peak at the Warning), and that the conversions brought about by those events and by the consecration of Russia (maybe 2014-2016, due in part to the Warning and Miracle) are counterbalanced by darkness (via increasing polarization of good and evil), and the culminating event is the definitive Chastisement at the end of the tribulations (2016-2017), followed by the Triumph (2017), and the era of peace. Also, I have seen some people confusing or interchanging the term "Chastisement" with the idea of a "Tribulation" period. In my interpretation, the Tribulation is a period of years of increasing persecution and suffering for the world and the Church, while the Chastisement (as prophecied by the Our lady to the Garabandal visionaries) appears to be a singular disastrous event (greater than the deluge) at the end of such Tribulations. Any thoughts on the above?
Are we assuming that the chastisement is inevitable or is it continent on humanity's ability to repent and change after the warning and miracle?
Jon, Thanks. In the above highlighted portion you basically defined Chastisement, which eliminated my confusion. But definitions are important. For instance, I would have to add one small addition to your dedinition of Tribulation for it to match mine: ...the Tribulation is a period of years of increasing persecution and suffering for the world and the Church...leading up to the Warning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think my expanded definition more closely aligns with that of the Garabandal seers, who said the Warning would occur when things are at their worst (referring to some form of communistic invasion of Europe and its concurrent ramifications). In contrast, the Chastisement is the result of the world's inadequate repentance in response to the Warning and Miracle. Speculation becomes a problem when we attempt to throw in a consecration of Russia because a number of Catholics believe that has already been fulfilled with Pope John Paul II's consecration prayer in 1984. Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
I thought the Garabandal visionaries said at one point that the Chastisement can no longer be avoided, but its magnitude or severity can be lessened or mitigated by conversions. Maybe Glenn can clarify.
Somewhere between these events we can also add the Pope will make a trip to Russia. [to try to prevent war?] Increase of communism and persecution (maybe under various names, but more prevalent than today) The Warning The consecration of Russia. And after the era of peace, the antichrist the conversion of the Jews, the Last Judgement.
I think you're right about the consecration speculation.... As far as the tribulation leading up to the Warning, I would think at least some of it has to occur for things to seem to be at their worst just prior to the Warning. What is less clear to me is how much of the Tribulation period still remains after the Warning, then the Miracle, leading up to the Chastisement. ...Some have had opinions that there would be 3-4 difficult years after the Warning (I think Aviso and his Garabandalist connection said this). If that were true, I would almost expect the Warning in late 2013 or early 2014 (if a global escalation of economic, social and political collapse accelerated rapidly after this summer).
Yeah. I think it was said to be just prior to the Warning, right? I think Glenn clarified that question once before (though he found references that Mari Loli said "no" one time, but also another time one of the visionaries said definitively that the Pope would go there right before the Warning). Maybe we could find that in the Garabandal thread already.
Albrecht Weber's book ( The Finger of God )contains this statement attributed to Conchita: "The pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican, hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe." [The source for this information was also requested. Mr. Weber responded: "Conchita said this in a long conversation at her house on November 14,1965."] I don't recall ever saying Mary Loli said "no",sorry.
Jon, a few things need to take place in a very manifested way before the Warning, Miracle, Chastisements and Triumph. The two "markers" for me are the Schism within the Church, which causes it to become very small in numbers and Communism at its worst where the Pope will be exiled. For sure the breath of Communism is very heavy in Europe and North America, however the persecution of the Church in both these areas are just beginning. In the USA the Church is now being publically attacked by our politicians and businesses being forced to pay for abortion, contraception and sterelization through "health care" laws. This is just the beginnning of Communism in the west (taking away the freedom to practice your religion publically). I think the Consecration by the Pope for Russia will take place prior to the Warning and will be the precursor to the Warning. Now Communism could be at its worst soon (months or a few years) depending on world situations. Major wars, global economic colapse, or major global natural disasters could expidite communism/freemasonry very rapidly. Once this has taken place will come the Warning, Miracle and Chastisements......followed by the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
This was what I remembered Glenn (from Garabandal News thread, page 55, February 27, 2013). It was a reference to the Pope leaving Rome made by Mary Loli, not specifically visiting Russia, but Padraig's question to you was about the visit to Russia: padraig said: ↑Glenn.Re Garabandal. We were talking on the forum that the Pope has to visit Russia before things kick off.Have you heard anything about this in the light of Garabandal?
Jon, I thought you were trying to say Mary Loli said " no" that the Pope is NOT going to Russia, Mary Loli is answering "no" to the question did the Blessed Mother tell you about the Pope leaving, (which is referring to Rome) she answered no. This doesn't have to do with what we are talking about, which is the Pope visiting Russia. These are unrelated events. Does that clarify my statement ?
Not exactly. Here is the exchange between Fr. Benac and Conchita (then a later interview): Benac: Do you think the Chastisement can be averted with prayer? Conchita: I think so. I don't think that it should take place; I think it won't happen. It seems to me that it would be impossible for such a thing to happen. It is for this reason that I believe God is sending us the Aviso (Warning) so that we may acknowledge all the evil within us. Later He will send us the Miracle to manifest His love and His presence amongst us.....I feel that it is impossible that after this we should not change. However, two years later in 1980, when Conchita was interviewed by the BBC, she again expressed her view that the Chastisement would come: "I think we're going to get the punishment." Now, she said this because by 1980,she had witnessed 15 years of the Garabandal warnings and little change take place in people's hearts . This was just her personal opinion, not fact.
I would agree with those who contend that the chastisements are not short lived, but could go on for multiple years. I also feel the 3 day's of Darkness will be the climax of the chastisements and end of the reign of satan on earth. We know from many prophets that all hell, is released prior to the 3 day's of darkness and "the living will envy the dead". Then comes the Era of Peace (25 years as foretold by our Lady of LaSallette). I am not convinced that the person, the anti-christ, is manifested in this era, but sometime after the era of peace. After all, we know he comes after the whole world has been evangelized (this is far from being done currently). I think the evangelization comes during the era of peace. After the evangelization by Enoch and Elijha comes the great apostasy... then the ant-christ.
That seems consistent. The only questions are: How compressed is the ramp up time to the worst conditions? How compressed are the supernatural interventions that succeed each other? Warning ...........time............ (8 days to 12 months....conversions?) Miracle ...........time............ (weeks, months, or even years....conversions?) Chastisement ...........time............ (any?) Triumph Era Here is a revised timeline then (graphics would still be better): Ramp up of communism & persecution (maybe catalyzed/accelerated by economic collapse) Pope visits Russia, returns to Vatican Hostilities escalate in Europe, persectution increases, Pope in hiding (not in Rome?) The Warning (Earliest=October 2013 if war escalates, Latest=April 5, 2017 ...if Triumph is 2017...not a certainty) Time: Conversions and polarization (Min=8 days, Max=one year) The Miracle (Earliest=March 13, 2014, Latest=April 13, 2017 ...if Triumph is 2017...not a certainty) Time: Conversions and polarization (Min=weeks, Max=more than one year) The Chastisement Time: ? The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart (Earliest=May 13, 2017, or possibly October 13, 2017)...or later... The Era of Peace Interesting notes: Pope JPII to be canonized: 10/20/2013 Theoretical end to 100 year Satanic attack most likely ranges from: 12/23/2013 -to- 10/13/2017 Possible beginning dates of the 100 years: 12/23/1913 = Federal Reserve Act passed 1/1/1914 = Beginning of Federal Reserve operation 7/28/1914 = Beginning of WWI 8/20/1914 = Death of Pope Pius X 10/13/1917 = Miracle of Sun at Fatima, and 33 years to the day after Pope Leo XIII vision of Satan (on 10/13/1884) Comet ISON 2013: 11/28/2013 = Closest pass to Sun 12/26/2013 = Closest pass to Earth 1/12/2014 = Comet Tail sweeps Earth
I think the introduction of this idea from LaSallette about the 25 years is unclear, and may not be related at all to the Era of Peace predicted by Our Lady at Fatima. Because if you read that account, it sounds nothing like the Triumph, and ends in an anti-climactic way. The last time this prophecy came up, someone said the origin and nature of this particular LaSallette prophecy is in question, and is potentially separatable from the LaSallette approved apparitions. I have never studied them, and certainly don't know if I am completely mistaken, but maybe someone can recall posting that idea here on this forum (and why they did).
