Youth Synod

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  1. Fatima

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    I am a person who believes in prophecy of old and current prophecy that fits into Catholic prophetic consensus of today. That being said, I have no clue what Pope Francis is speaking in the opening homily with the following words. More ambiguity at best. o_O

    "Young people, he noted, will only be capable of prophesy and vision, if we adults and elderly can dream to and share and transmit such dreams and hopes “which we carry in our hearts” to them".
     
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  2. Praetorian

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    I think he means that as in prophesy and vision, a person will only be fully realized through their hopes and dreams when their inner and outer cognitive functions are unified with both their exterior and interior realities. This will blossom into a fruitful and lasting self-actualization of both a morphological and intuitive kind that encapsulates both the spiritual and the physical realities of life.

    I hope that clarifies things ;)
     
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    Typical Alinkiite synod for PF. Know desired outcome. Rig "open synod" for results. Guaranteed results. Watch and learn.
     
  4. AED

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    Right out of the rule book.
     
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    We seriously need to step up our prayers, sacrifices, novenas, decades, and mourning for this Pope. I think he is hanging on to anything resembling Christian faith by a very, very thin thread.
     
  6. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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    You have a way with words Praetorian! lol
     
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    Welcome to Modernist word play ;)
     
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    The FirstThings website has published the first in its "Letters from the Synod" series: https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/10/letters-from-the-synod-2018
    It's quite long and paints a gloomy picture. I empathise with the reader who posted this comment on the article:

    "About halfway through this litany of Vatican fumbles and failures - the fervid ineptitude, zealous incompetence, malfeasant governance, disgraced and downright immorality together with downright stupidity- gobsmacked so hard I could not finish reading this lengthy piece. We don't claim to be saints, but many of us could probably sense whether and where the Holy Spirit has at least deigned to whisper. He cannot help but wonder whether he's not been anywhere near Rome lately."
     
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    ah... ok :D

    And how about this one:

    Portuguese journalist: I’m going to ask a question about the case Portugal, but I think that it can be applied to many of the Western societies. In Portugal, almost all of the Portuguese say they identify themselves as Catholics. But the way the society is organized, the decisions that we make, often are contrary to the indications of the Church. I refer to marriage between homosexuals, the legalization of abortion, now we’re going to begin discussing euthanasia. How do you see this?

    Pope Francis: I think it’s a political problem. And that also the Catholic conscience isn’t a catholic one of total belonging to the Church and that behind that there isn’t a nuanced catechesis, a human catechesis. That is, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is an example of what is a serious and nuanced thing. I think that there is a lack of formation and also of culture. Because it’s curious, in some other regions, I think of the south of Italy, some in Latin America, they are very Catholic but they are anti-clerical and ‘priest-eaters’, that … there is a phenomenon that exists. It concerns me. That’s why I tell priests, you will have read it, to flee from clericalism because clericalism distances people. May they flee from clericalism and I add: it’s a plague in the Church. But here there is a work also of catechesis, of raising awareness, of dialogue, also of human values.

    The difference, of course is that the above was a real statement made by the current pope.
     
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    I long for the days of the past when a pope could speak to any issue and you knew it was both Catholic and truth. When I read what and how Pope Francis speaks, I always come away scratching my head and wonder what the heck is he even talking about. He speaks all over the place and just about the time I think he say's something reasonable, the next line smacks down any common sense language. This confused speech of his is very telling to me. Our Lady of Fatima called it diabolical disorientation.
     
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    How come whenever a reporter asks a question involving homosexuality the answer always comes back about clericalism?

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    But then that's the point isn't it? o_O

    Delay, confuse, obfuscate so you don't need to address the real questions asked.
     
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    Waffle words. Once you become aware it is very easy to spot.
     
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    Seems to be. Scripture makes clear to ' let your yes be yes and you no be no, anything else comes from the evil one'.
     
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    Say what?:confused:o_O

    Here is the hope I carry in my heart:

    1 Cor2: 1 When I came to you, brethren, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God in lofty words or wisdom. 2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness and in much fear and trembling; 4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

    Matt 7:24 "Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."
     
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    Here's one that is more direct for the youth who have been deceived by the enemy:

    Luke 13:1 Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent , you will all likewise perish. 4 "Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? 5 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."
     
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    Here is Robert Royal's summation after the first day of the synod:

    https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2018/10/04/papal-aspirations-day-one/

    One part I found particularly interesting was this one:

    Further, the “listening” seems to be only open to certain voices. Towards the end of the address, Francis remarks, “Do not let yourselves be tempted, therefore, by the ‘prophets of doom,’ do not spend your energy on ‘keeping score of failures and holding on to reproaches,’ keep your gaze fixed on the good that ‘often makes no sound; it is neither a topic for blogs, nor front page news.’”

    To anyone familiar with Pope John XXII's speech at Vatican II regarding the "prophets of doom"(A.K.A. the Fatima Visionaries) these words seem a dire echo.
     
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    Because they are essentially shifting the blame to the laity. Like the thief saying to the victim that if they had not left their keys in the car they would not have stolen it or the pie on the window sill.
     
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    AKA;

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