‘Shameful’ Vatican resistance to clerical abuse commission

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  1. sparrow

    sparrow Exitus ~ Reditus

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    This is so sad. I am wondering if this is just more of the same 'dark spirit' that is running through the Vatican at this time. There is just no way to paint this picture in a better light! Scandalous!

    THE Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors has faced ‘shameful’ resistance to its work, the Irish abuse survivor Marie Collins has claimed after her resignation from the panel.
    In her resignation letter, sent to Pope Francis on February 9 but effective from yesterday, Ms Collins said while she was impressed by the commitment of her colleagues she found the lack of co-operation by senior Vatican officials “shameful.”

    http://irishpost.co.uk/shameful-vat...rish-survivor-marie-collins-who-has-resigned/
     
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    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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    It makes you wonder if we are going to have to put up with denial on the part of some in high places, right up to the Warning itself.
    By the time the Warning comes, I wonder if many of us are not going to start envying the dead, who are out of this chaos.
     
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    I follow Blogger Priest online
    He is local
    Many years ago I taught him in my catechism class
    I did not know until a few years ago that he had become a priest
    In his recent blogs he is quite concerned about the Pope's failure to answer the Dubia
    He has been working with some couples to try to obtain annulments and they left and went to a parish where the priest was more accepting of them. I am not able to upload files
    But I was really struck by his agony
    He sounds like one of us
    I am grateful that he is so courageous to bare his truly Catholic priest soul online
    Check out Blogger Priest online
     
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    Well worth a read!

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    As a case in point, three clients with whom I was working for annulments have terminated the process. Each of them pointed to news stories that the Pope was changing the rules. The formal case essays are difficult. Couples are quick to pursue an easy out. They were told that they could not be absolved from adultery until they separated or got an annulment and convalidation. They were told to attend the sacrifice of the Mass but not to take Holy Communion. But with news of this discipline changing, they shopped around for a more “understanding” pastor with a like-mind to the pope or at least to those more liberal interpreters of his exhortation. As far as they could tell, there was no apparent need to pursue any further legal work or to change their lives or even to suffer a sacrificial conversion. How could I compete with that? If I told them they would be living a lie, they could respond that I was promoting the bygone discipline of a dead rigid Church over the current practice recommended to priests by bishops, cardinals and the Holy See. Can a priest who struggles to be holy and orthodox find himself stamped as disobedient and wrong in the eyes of the Church?
     
  5. Dolours

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    Your link to the Irish Post won't open for me.

    I had already started a thread about this with a link to this report by Ines San Martin in Crux: https://cruxnow.com/interviews/2017/03/01/abuse-survivor-leaves-popes-anti-sex-abuse-commission/

    Here's what I posted on that thread which received no responses:

    "I can't make head or tail of it. On the one hand (according to other reports) she appears to be pointing the finger at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF). On the other hand, according to this report, she is complaining about lack of funds for the Commission. In all reports, she blames politics in the Curia.
    She exonerates Pope Francis and, evidently, Cardinal O'Malley from all blame and hasn't given up her job of educating new bishops about child abuse.
    Given that she recently questioned the Church's commitment to tackling child abuse following the report about Don Mercedes being reinstated by the Pope after the CDF had recommended having his priestly faculties removed, I don't understand why she is placing the blame on the CDF. How would the CDF have control over funding and staffing of the new Commission? Wouldn't that be down to the Secretariat of State or whoever holds the purse strings? Is this another hatchet job on the CDF?"


    Crux has a later piece by John Allen which puts a more positive spin on Marie Collins's resignation: https://cruxnow.com/analysis/2017/03/01/survivors-exit-papal-panel-may-blessing-disguise/ While I wouldn't be John Allen's biggest fan, on first reading and without paragraph by paragraph dissecting of his report, he does appear to have a more rational take on this, albeit perhaps overly optimistic.
     
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    Not proper to this thread, but coincidentally I had been listening to a sermon about marriage from one of the excellent priests on the Sensus Fidelium channel. I couldn't pass up the prompt to post a link to Father's sermon because it's really worth listening to.
     
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    Thank you Garabandal, for providing that link. And yes, that is the part of his blog that contains the problem that holy priests are facing now in a nutshell. As Blessed Mother requests, we need to pray, pray, pray!
    Blindly pray, without expecting to see results right away, blindly pray because we do not know where the Mediatrix of All Graces is using our prayers.
     
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    Crux has a later piece by John Allen which puts a more positive spin on Marie Collins's resignation: https://cruxnow.com/analysis/2017/03/01/survivors-exit-papal-panel-may-blessing-disguise/ While I wouldn't be John Allen's biggest fan, on first reading and without paragraph by paragraph dissecting of his report, he does appear to have a more rational take on this, albeit perhaps overly optimistic.[/QUOTE]

    Hard to know what may be going on but even if it were better politically for her not to be on the Commission, it still may not excuse the resistance from certain Curia.

    “This has been directly due to the resistance by some members of the Vatican Curia to the work of the Commission.

    “The lack of co-operation, particularly by the dicastery most closely involved in dealing with cases of abuse, has been shameful.”

    But as always, there are two sides to every story...
     
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    This would be the correct view I believe as well. You can see how quickly these priests may have to go 'underground'. The laity who think like these couples (and I would believe it would be the majority) will ignore and abandon these good priests. And this as we know, is just the beginning!
    'They' have crested the slippery slope and are picking up speed on the way down. :(
     
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  10. Dolours

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    But she makes allegations without backing them up. She blames the dicastry most closely involved in dealing with abuse cases. That discastry is the CDF. Other reports say that there was a marked improvement in the handling of abuse cases after the CDF was given that responsibility. She also complains about the lack of resources for the new Commission headed by Cardinal O'Malley. Cardinal O'Malley is one of the core group of Cardinals drafted in by Pope Francis to be his closest advisors. I suppose that the secular equivalent would be a Prime Minister (Pope) and his Cabinet (the core group of Cardinals). If anyone has the Pope's ear, it would be Cardinal O'Malley, so why can't he get the Pope to supply the necessary resources?
    She completely exonerates the Pope and Cardinal O'Malley while apparently blaming the CDF. It simply doesn't make sense. It brings us back to the question of whether she is being used as a stick to beat the CDF, particularly Cardinal Muller who has been less than enthusiastic about Amoris Laetitia.
     
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    Indeed, you may be absolutely right. Every news article seems to tell a different story...
     
  12. Dolours

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    And I may also be absolutely wrong. It's just that none of it makes sense. She complains that some document should have been circulated to all the bishops and wasn't. I don't believe that the Pope couldn't simply tell Cardinal O'Malley to circulate the document and provide enough staff for him to do it. He could have used the staff at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, for example, because they seem to have plenty of resources and time on their hands. They could have been better employed circulating that document than entertaining the likes of Paul Erhlich in return for him giving a talk about bumble bees and the hazards of farming. Wouldn't child protection be appropriate to the social sciences discipline?
     
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