Another slanted article on Pope Francis, titled "Pope takes issue with Church's focus on gays, abortion http://m.startribune.com/news/?id=224411761&c=y
Well I am struggling a bit with ' what is he really saying'? I dont know what to make of it. I understand he is asking us to go to the highways and byeways to find the lost. Condemnation is not going to bring them in but then I am worried about the seeming softness on breaking the rules. Are we to live by the rules of not? Im confused. Maybe it is the end of the world! Mary
Understandable!! The Liberals and the Leftist elite are jumping with excitement. The Right Wing and Conservatives are pulling their hair out. He has deliberately said these things! They are not off the cuff remarks!! Pope Benedict spoke of a 'smaller, holier Church' Pope Francis appears to be calling sinners into the Church. Here is the core of what he is trying to get across [but I am not sure I understand it!] The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow. I say this also thinking about the preaching and content of our preaching. A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing. The homily is the touchstone to measure the pastor’s proximity and ability to meet his people, because those who preach must recognize the heart of their community and must be able to see where the desire for God is lively and ardent. The message of the Gospel, therefore, is not to be reduced to some aspects that, although relevant, on their own do not show the heart of the message of Jesus Christ.”
And also This Church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people. We must not reduce the bosom of the universal Church to a nest protecting our mediocrity,'' he said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24166434
The Liberal media are just going nuts over the thought of a 'new Catholic Church'!. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/19/pope-francis-vision-new-catholic-church
So is he trying to say in a nutshell, "People don't care what you know until they know that you care"?
Pope Francis said that there is a risk of the Church 'falling like a house of cards'. I think that the terrible stats. in the West show that this has already occurred here at least. Whatever his intention, if the Modernists feel affirmed in their defiance of the Magisterium (which I think they will), the results cannot be regarded as positive. One US bishop has already publicly recorded his disappointment that the Pope had not mentioned abortion in his papacy, well now he has and his example is of a woman who had an abortion and remarried and had five children and a happy life. Good for that hypothetical lady, but there are the majority of cases where babies are destroyed for reasons of finance and convenience. He might have balanced his remarks by condemning those refusing motherhood for such reasons.
It happens again, the liberal media and their saying the Pope approves of grave mortal sin. The double shot, liberal Catholic (in name only) groups confirm the media lie in these same articles.
I just can't help but think of this passage with the response of calling sinners. Is not the goal of us all to pray for the divine mercy of our Lord for all sinners even ourselves? Does God not weep for every soul he loses to the pit? Should we not try to help Our Mother in this battle for souls? Even the most hardened sinners should have a chance to come into the church if they are repentive. That is what I take from the Pope's comments. 9 And when Jesus passed on from hence, he saw a man sitting in the custom house, named Matthew; and he saith to him: Follow me. And he rose up and followed him. 10 And it came to pass as he was sitting at meat in the house, behold many publicans and sinners came, and sat down with Jesus and his disciples. 11 And the Pharisees seeing it, said to his disciples: Why doth your master eat with publicans and sinners? 12 But Jesus hearing it, said: They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill. 13 Go then and learn what this meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I am not come to call the just, but sinners.
Andy, Right. But, the key words are "if they are repentive". That is what the media and the liberals don't seem to understand.
The world is ill and needs to hear Christ's healing call of divine mercy. Very good Andy. Who cares about the liberal media or churchmen, for that matter, who are traitors to Christ.
I don't think we condemn people, but rather the sin and are supposed to love and pray for the sinner? John C 3 16For God so loved the world that he gave* his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.k 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn* the world, but that the world might be saved through him.l 18
I started to read this article and it made me sick,..what is going on? http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/EU-..._mail_job=1538197_09192013&promo_code=14EF3-1
I think it's this statement that bothers me the most. Which disjointed doctrines is he refering to? Can someone help me to understand what he means by that? The Church, he said, should see itself as "a field hospital after a battle" and try to heal the larger wounds of society and not be "obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently." Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/EU-Vatican-Pope/2013/09/19/id/526650?ns_mail_uid=29330335&ns_mail_job=1538197_09192013&promo_code=14EF3-1#ixzz2fOHpniC0 Urgent: Should Obamacare Be Repealed?Vote Here Now
May I suggest that you read the original interview in America Magazine rather than snippets from a secular website that will have its particular spin. Having read the entire interview, it may provide more context.
Ok thank you,..but it is disheartening to see what is going on. Seems like our faith is being tried,..and people seeking change in the Church are going to run with this.
What's wrong with his analogy? “I see the church as a field hospital after battle,” Francis said. “It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars. You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else.”
I have to say, this is a bunch of odd talk. This is incoherent. I don't like some of what I am hearing him say, such as his recent statement, "the Church has never been better". And an earlier statement, "Who am I to judge" talking about a gay priest. What is going on here? Am I missing something? And now questioning doctrines?
