What do you think? Do the two photos below reflect the same person? Michael Matt says that they do. But there seem to be some striking differences. What do you think? From: https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/in...und-the-world/item/4146-paul-vi-imposter-pope Paul VI: Imposter Pope? Written by Michael J. Matt | Editor Pope Paul VI: Patron Saint of Modernism They say that when something goes shockingly wrong in the public life of a famous person, well-meaning people oftentimes find it difficult to accept that there isn't more to the story than meets the eye. This is particularly so in an era when folks are used to being lied to by powerful forces in government and media. So, for example, when President Kennedy was αssαssιnαtҽd, the nation was so understandably shocked that it was not uncommon for otherwise sane people to accept the most insane conspiracy theories about what really happened to him. Anything other than the less-than-satisfying narrative that it was just some lone nut with a bolt action rifle. For many, there simply had to be a bigger, grander conspiracy behind it all. Kennedy must have died for a greater reason than that! Now I have no intention of speculating as to who might have been on the grassy knoll that day in Dallas back in 1963. Obviously, there might well have been more to that story, and we may never know the whole truth of it. I only mention this because, in the wake of the supremely ridiculous canonization of Pope Paul VI (one of the biggest papal nothing burgers in history, by the way), there has been a resurgence of another old theory from that era, this time for what must really have happened to the Catholic Church in the aftermath of the Second Vatican Council. This theory has it that it wasn't the pope that destroyed the Mass and wreaked havoc on the Church at the time, but rather an imposter merely pretending to be pope. No pope, so goes the theory, who was handed picked by the Holy Ghost Himself (as Sister Mary Chocolate had solemnly assured us all back in the third grade), could possibly have done such terrible things. It must have been a Masonic plot that somehow managed to substitute a fake for arguably the most famous man in the world at that time: Pope Paul VI. No mean feat, but nevertheless that must be what happened. After all, just look at the ears of the young Paul VI versus the ears of the pope in the late 1970s. Look at that nose! Those eyebrows! Even the teeth are different."
They've been human cloning since the 1940s I wouldn't be surprised. It's like how half the pop singers we see on the telly are actually dead and cloned. They always let us know in their music video if they've died
Would anyone easily notice that the imposter's voice was different from that of Montini? I understand that it is possible to perfectly imitate the timbre of other people but would it be possible to assimilate someone's voice all the time?
There is also a birthmark on the Pope's cheek that seems to dissapear in pictures. Keep on researching. Im not saying that this happened but from what i see happening to Our Church right now I feel anything is possible. So many people myself included, have been under a spell almost in the past that these things could never happen. Trust in Church and State was an obvious. The thought that we could be betrayed by our Church or State was a laughing matter in circles. But look at us now. How did we get here ??? The Blessed Mother has warned for years of the Masonic sect that would do anything to destroy our Church. Anything is possible and I am not laughing anymore.
The picture on the right is of Pope Paul VI as an older man who had put on some weight in his face. I was aware of the imposter issue but I do not believe it. I heard about it on the messages from Bayside which were condemned by the Bishop. So, no. I'm not wasting my time thinking about it.
The two photos of the pope look alike to me and I don't believe in the swapping popes theory, but I wanted to share this video here FYI. When I saw this months ago, all I could think of was those people who participated were just helping "scientists" hone their facial recognition software to figure out where the similarities end between people who look alike. They probably also gave DNA samples, "for science". According to the video, it is estimated that for every face, there are seven matches somewhere in the world. So who knows? Perhaps public figures have been swapped before.
I suspect this could affect the uninterrupted succession of the papacy until the end of time, a dogma established by the First Vatican Council
a point to consider is that Paul VI abolished the index of prohibited books for Catholics to read in 1968 and reformed the liturgy the following year, and if we consider the perspective of Bayside's apparition on this the imposter would have entered in 1975
No, they have not. No, they are not. There’s no way to create an adult clone, nor to transplant memories of the original in the clone. They can clone embryos and maybe bring them to term for fetal cell experimentation, but they have not brought human clones to adulthood, and even if they had, they CANNOT transfer the memories of the individual from whom they were cloned. Unfortunately this is the worst kind of fevered internet based imaginary sci / fantasy, and it is NOT based in reality. Only God can create the soul, and a human created clone will not be animated without that soul. Please stop posting this clone sci fi / fantasy on here. It’s a rabbit hole we simply don’t need or want to follow, a demonic distraction from the all too real realities we are currently facing.
I had patients who I followed as a student in 1991, inherited as a patient in 1995, and treated until 2016. 25 years. Some of them had FAR more of a change in appearance than those claimed for Pope Paul VI, Sister Lucia etc. Weight loss, weight gain, gravitational pull on fatty and collagenous tissues, age related bone and soft tissue and dental loss, dentures etc. create remarkable changes in appearance as we age. This “body double” nonsense is also a rabbit hole we must avoid; the devil wishes us to waste our time on such pointless debates. It’s called selective denial. All the time we spend obsessing over supposed body doubles, clones, etc. is time that should and could have been spent pursuing Catholic teachings and thought, literature, and prayer. Let’s try to limit these rabbit holes here, unless there’s an approved message or prophecy that specifically points to their reality. It’s too late in the game to spend inordinate amounts of time on these purely speculative and often specious subjects.
Cloning is possible but what abomination would it create...we can be like God but we can’t be God. Only God can create souls. As for cloning...i think Biden & Hillary have a double but silicon is amazing. Is cloning possible...sure but not to perfection this padre pio fan is talking about. Could the Church have switched out Lucia...probably but you don’t need clone for that. She was out of site for so long they could have just sent body double. All interesting talk...demons taking over stars all possible. Cloning stars....impossible.
He looks to me like a man who might be taking some sort of hormone and it could have caused some weight gain in the face. Moon face it is lovingly called. Being sarcastic on the lovingly part, I've had this happen several times. Or he is just getting old in the second pic. Some of us get thin as we age and some get plump.
What i meant to say but was sidetracked in previous post that a body double is what the demons in exorcism had said under command. Not cloning. Imposter to be exact. I dont think He was cloned. But the idea of cloning a human may be happenning or at least being worked on vigorously. Sorry for the confusion.
Aviso who was once a member here says that Lucia’s family is adamant that there was NOT an imposter Lucy. You can read about it on his website. Garabandalnews.org
I believe that the transference of consciousness would be an anticipation of the resurrection promised by Christ therefore something that neither the demons nor their servants could do.
Peoples features actually change if they are very close to either side. I can see Lucia features changing by being so close to God and His Holy Mother. You can see after a while they have a glow of happiness. Modern day saints never really look sad., Determined maybe, focused yes but sad no. Almost a glow of goodness. But hey...who knows?
I believe Pope Paul VI had a Body Double. It is the only explanation that saves both the Papacy and the Tradition. When I speak to the Orthodox, they ask me, if the Papacy is all you Roman Catholics say it is, how did the Papacy virtually destroy the Roman Catholic Tradition. I don't know all the answers, but I strongly suspect something like this must have happened. Why, in these days when millions of Catholics are re-discovering the Treasure of Tradition, and searching for answers to teh Crisis in the Church, do we not consider as at least a possible explanation, some of those supernatural phenomena, such as the Swiss Exorcism in the 1970s which many Roman Catholic Priests believed were authentic (recall that in the Bible, the demons were forced to confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is the Truth; again, in Church History, that Our Lady's Prayers, and the Holy Rosary, are extremely powerful, and can save souls from falling into Hell, which is also the Truth; so why do we have difficulty believing that, in such great times of crisis and difficulty for the Roman Catholic Church as were the 1960s and 1970s, before God Almighty and Our Lady raised up Pope St. John Paul II the Great to save the Catholic Church, God would have allowed some supernatural phenomena, like Authorized Exorcisms, to give us some faint clues, about the Great Mystery afflicting the Church?). For myself, I believe it. For others, I understand if you don't. God Bless. From: https://www.tldm.org/news4/warningsfrombeyond.2of3.htm " Speaking through the possessed woman, the demons were forced to tell the truth by Our Lady under the Solemn Church Exorcism, which was witnessed by the following priests who have all expressed their conviction of the authenticity of the revelations made by the demons upon the order of the Blessed Virgin. 1. Abbot Albert‑l`Arx, Niederbuchorten 2. Abbot Arnold Elig, Ramiswil 3. Abbot Ernest Fischer, Missionary, Gossau (St.‑Gall). 4. Rev. Father Pius Gervasi, O.S.B., Disentis 5. Abbot Karl Holdener, Ried 6. Rev. Father Gregoire Meyer, ‑ Trimbach 7. Rev. Father Robert Rinderer, C.P.P.S., Auw 8. Abbot Louis Veillard, Cerneux‑Pequignot All eight priests are Swiss, except Father E. Fischer, a German. All participated in the exorcisms except Father G. Meyer who was spiritual director of the possessed woman. Two other French priests also participated in the exorcisms. An excerpt: " I have to say this also: they are defrauded of Christ and of the fullness of the graces, it is true, but certain graces are still attached to it. Especially when good Christians, of deep faith, go to Mass and Communion full of devotion, with the intention of receiving Christ, then Heaven is fair enough not to say simply: “Because the priest is not doing things properly, there will be no graces here!” Those people nevertheless do receive certain graces.[54] E: Do these people fulfill their duty to the Lord? B: If the people have the opportunity of going to a Mass of Saint Pius V, then Heaven prefers that, very much so. But if there is no other possibility, they may go to another Mass. After the Mass of Saint Pius V in Latin,[55] the Tridentine Mass[56] in the vernacular comes in second place, provided that it comprises the totality of the words of the Tridentine Mass as far as this is possible. Only after these, in third place, comes the New Mass. But those people, if they do not know these things and are of good faith, nevertheless fulfill their duty to the Lord, in so far as that is their intention. On the other hand, if they know very well that a kilometer further away, they would find a Mass of Saint Pius V, and if they say to themselves: “Bah! That, is too far away for me, I am not going to run over there!”; and if they know very well that that would be better, then we have a different situation. Then, they have lost out enormously through negligence. They should have gone that kilometer. Do you know (in a tearful voice) how far we would go, if we were still able to share in such great graces? Ah! We would travel to the ends of the earth, if we still had a chance! We do not wish to imply by this, that the other Masses are as good. We have already said enough about which Mass Those up there prefer (he points upward). We have to reveal the error which many priests are making. It is a fundamental error to instill into men that they must not go to any New Mass, that it comes from the devil, etc... That also is throwing the baby away with the bath-water, it is going to the opposite extreme. Never does such a condemnation have any place under the mantle of love of neighbor. In these circumstances there are modernists who have love of neighbor, who are sometimes better than such “traditionalists” who exalt themselves above others. We are obliged to say that as part of this... and everything we have just said about the Sacraments and other subjects..." The majority of traditionalists today are probably FSSP/Indult traditionalists, who hold just the positions described here. (1) The Old Mass is objectively superior to the New Mass (even Dr. Scott Hahn holds this, as does Dr. Peter Kwasniewski) (2) but nevertheless we should not say that no one should go to the New Mass. In the early days, many traditionalists said just that. Today, most have stopped doing so. Even Bishop Williamson of the SSPX-Resistance changed his mind on that. So, is it just a coincidence, that this Swiss Exorcism from the 1970s, got almost everything right? Or, was Heaven trying to guide us to Tradition, while remaining within the Church, and not going off to join any sect, which claimed the Roman Catholic Church had defected, and that the New Mass was invalid or illicit? Just something to think about. God Bless.
