Pope-Biden meeting

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  1. miker

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    Had to share this from our friend Fr. Steve (from his blog on Friday) . I really pray for him. He is spot on but I’m sure he’s not making many friends with the bishops. Quite brave in Speaking the Truth.


    Getting Fed Up
    By Fr. Steve Ryan, SDB

    President Biden is scheduled to meet with Pope Francis in Rome today. In one sense this is a daily routine at the Vatican. The pope meets with heads of state all the time when they visit Rome. However, Biden’s people and the White House staff will use this to portray the president as a good friend and in good standing (buddy buddy) with the pope. We will see photos of the two men smiling, laughing and shaking hands (old ‘socialist’ friends chatting it up).

    Now, what actually occurs in the conversation between the president and pope today will most likely be kept confidential. I have some hope that the Holy Father will tell Joe Biden that his promotion and advocacy of abortion is way out of line for a Catholic yet I also begin to doubt. Why?
    1. Because the agenda is set by White House handlers. The White House has seen to it that the issues which could emphasize the differences between the pope and the president – marriage, the family, sexuality, religious liberty – will not be on the agenda.
    2. Because Pope Francis has gone off on this tangent of climate urgency and ecological stewardship so frequently that Catholics are now rightfully questioning his judgment; one of only three encyclicals that he’s written is dedicated to ecology (Laudato Si).
    As I wrote last week on this issue of politicians, the pope and the bishops, there are serious concerns about the signals our Church hierarchy is sending to Catholics. Biden is perfectly clear about his public rejection of Catholic moral teachings on human life and sexuality. Yet he is perceived to be in good standing with the Church and ‘buddies’ with the pope. Nor do the bishops say anything in critique of him. And the media spin put on these meetings with the pope is all about making the Church look complicit in the promotion of moral evil. Catholics are confused. I am confused. Is the pope so naïve? Why are the bishops so passive?

    The darn thing about the global “economy reset” and the “ecological concerns for the planet” stuff is that these issues are not the pre-eminent moral issues of our times. Liberals and the global elite have made them the priority issues, and they distract us from the real moral issues of our time:
    • the disrespect for the dignity of the human person
    • the annihilation of faith and God in public life
    • the deliberate attack on the family and on God’s plan for life and love (sexuality)
    • the deliberate attack on Christianity (particularly Catholicism) resulting in the infringement on religious freedom
    Today’s photos of Biden and Pope Francis together weakens the Church and plays into the hands of evil. It costs the Church bigtime. Devout people are getting fed up.
     
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    https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/pope-francis-urges-biden-to-receive-communion/

    Pope Francis urges Biden to receive Communion
    By Dr. Jeff Mirus ( bio - articles - email ) | Oct 29, 2021

    We do not know inside details of the Pope’s meeting with President Biden today, but Biden himself did feel free to report that Francis had called him a “good Catholic” and encouraged him to keep receiving Communion (see, for example, the report from The New York Times). Ludicrous as this seems, it is no more surprising than the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the press over their exclusion from live coverage of the meeting.

    Many hoped, perhaps, that the deliberate Vatican privacy imposed on the meeting indicated the Pope’s willingness to offer hard sayings for the President’s serious consideration. But there have been no precedents in this papacy which could have led anyone to that conclusion. Rather, all any of this proves, once again, is that Pope Francis is no more willing than the Washington press to be placed outside the warm limelight of the dominant culture.

    Communion

    It also means that Pope Francis is very serious about not pressing Eucharistic coherence into the political realm. Never mind that it is absurd that the behavior of Catholics in the political realm should be off-limits to pastors. Moral or immoral advocacy and action are not partisan political maneuvers outside the purview of Divine grace and Catholic teaching. They are first and foremost personal decisions by souls in need of the grace and the sanctifying ministry of the Church.

    But in any case, the Pope’s views on this matter have been clear for a long time. In two apostolic exhortations he has chosen to emphasize that the Eucharist “is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak” (Evangelii Gaudium no. 47, in 2013; repeated in footnote 351 of Amoris Laetitia, in 2016). That is not surprising, as it is perfectly true; what is surprising is that Francis has steadfastly resisted all efforts at clarifying when, in fact, the Eucharist must be withheld either for the good of the potential recipient or to avoid situations of grave public scandal.

    Such concerns are consistent with:

    1. The constant pastoral practice throughout the entire history of the Church;
    2. The clarifications by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith given to the American bishops by Cardinal Ratzinger during the pontificate of Pope St. John Paul II; and
    3. The requirements of the current Code of Canon Law
    What we are faced with, then, are (a) this Pope’s continuing emphasis on one aspect of Eucharistic theology, along with (b) his deliberate refusal to comment on another theological aspect which demands Eucharistic discipline (as clearly expressed by St. Paul in his First Letter to the Corinthians 11:27-30). These precedents already suggested that this outcome for Biden was inevitable and, therefore, unsurprising.

    Such an expectation does not lessen the scandal, of course, but it is nothing more (and surely nothing less) than the relentless scandal of an entire pontificate.

    A good Catholic

    What is actually surprising (albeit, in these circumstances, in only a small way) is President Biden’s assertion that Pope Francis told him he was “a good Catholic”. There is reason to doubt this claim, since it is an extremely unlikely part of a discussion between a Pope and a President, and it does not even strike one as a normal papal remark. Moreover, even if the claim is false, it is a claim that the Vatican would be extremely unlikely to correct publicly. On the other hand, Biden has made the claim, and the sentiment is at least consistent with what we know of Francis’ personal interactions with everyone whose publicly-known sins are favored by the dominant culture.

    I know I mention the “dominant culture” in my writing frequently enough to be annoying, but I do not know a better way to express the divide between honest Catholics and “Catholics” in quotation marks. Every adult man and woman knows from a kind of instinctive cultural osmosis what is approved and disapproved by the dominant culture, and Pope Francis’ known responses to persons have nearly always differed in accordance with this built-in calculus. I have remarked on this often enough, I think, as to make the enumeration of examples unnecessary.

    The more important point is for every reader to understand that Joseph Biden cannot even remotely be considered a good Catholic when his social and political objectives include—indeed, with a special prominence—the expansion of abortion and the elimination of all personal, political and economic resistance to it; and the expansion of homosexual and transgender “rights”, by which I mean not the mere protection of all persons against violent attack, but a required personal and public approval of both the grave sins and the grave personal harm arising from these increasingly common sexual ideologies. Here we have an agenda which not only champions serious objective evils but undermines both personal wholeness and the nature of the family, which in turn is (and, in fact, must always be) the foundation of every healthy social order.

    Whatever the Pope’s views on the wisdom of denying anyone Communion, Francis would not be able to call Joseph Biden “a good Catholic” without seriously altering the meaning of either the word “Catholic” or the word “good”. It is one thing to emphasize that many of a person’s obvious commitments are evil but to encourage that person to continue to receive Communion in order to find the strength to come into greater conformity with Jesus Christ. When the manifest sinfulness is obstinately denied by the recipient, this does serious spiritual damage to the recipient in addition to scandalizing others. But when the manifest sinfulness is interiorly acknowledged and to some extent privately detested, the practice still remains seriously problematic on prudential grounds: In all cases it creates the scandal of making it appear that serious sin does not fracture union with Christ, a fracture that is to be healed in the Confessional, a healing to be coupled with a public repudiation of previous public positions.

    In any case, it is quite another thing to directly undermine the following words of Our Lord, as one would in calling Joseph Biden a “good Catholic”:

    What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man. [Mk 7:20-23]
    And again:

    Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not every one who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [Mt 7:19-21]


    Conclusion

    We will probably never know for sure exactly what is true and what is not true, or even what has been misinterpreted, in Joseph Biden’s report of his conversation with Pope Francis as it relates to the practice of Biden’s Catholicism. But the scandal arising from this report is supremely characteristic of a largely unfortunate pontificate.

    This scandal does not raise questions about Pope Francis’ legitimacy as Pope. It does not raise questions about the veracity of the Catholic Faith. There have been many similar and equally bad periods of ecclesiastical history, situations which have always imposed and continue to impose significant suffering on the faithful. The correct response, I would say, is not ranting and raving; still less ought things like this to trigger a spiritual crisis. But there is a prayer of complaint in Scripture that is used frequently in such difficult situations, and therefore can still be used by all the faithful with the same combination of piety, sorrow and righteousness which it so well conveys.

    This prayer, just four words, ends appropriately with “O Lord”. But it begins with “How long?”


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    Jeffrey Mirus holds a Ph.D. in intellectual history from Princeton University. A co-founder of Christendom College, he also pioneered Catholic Internet services. He is the founder of Trinity Communications and CatholicCulture.org. See full bio.
     
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    Two very good articles, miker and Padraig. Thank you very much.
     
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    Francis was appointed auxiliary Bishop of Buenos Aires in 1992, became co-adjutor Archbishop of the archdiocese in 1997 and Archbishop in 1998. During his various episcopal appointments, no less than 3 separate fully attested Eucharistic miracles occurred there in 1992, 1994 and 1996. Talk about hints from heaven! What a pity that he doesn't talk about this with his eminent visitors instead of massaging their already inflated egos.
     
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    Related: https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/breaking-vatican-intervenes-to-spike

    Updated: Vatican intervened to spike US bishops’ Biden statement release
    A Pillar Post special edition
    The Pillar
    Jan 20, 2021 77

    The U.S. bishops’ conference held back a statement on incoming President Joe Biden Wednesday morning, after officials from the Vatican Secretariat of State intervened before the statement could be released.

    Continued at link above.
     
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    As Our Lady told Sr Agnes at Akita, there will be cardinals against cardinals, bishops against bishops.
    Thanks for posting this important link.
     
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