Pope Francis on Biden’s support for abortion

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    Biden's support for abortion is a grave scandal.

    Pope Francis's position on Biden's support for abortion is a grave scandal -

    CCC - Respect for the souls of others: scandal


    2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor's tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

    2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep's clothing.87

    2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

    Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to "social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible."88 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,89 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

    2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!"90
     
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    Baltimore Catechism

    Q. 814. When are we bound to admonish the sinner?

    A. We are bound to admonish the sinner when the following conditions are fulfilled:
    1. When his fault is a mortal sin;
    2. When we have authority or influence over him, and
    3. When there is reason to believe that our warning will not make him worse instead of better.
     
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    Well at least it's all out in the open.

    Imagine Jesus had said to the Pharisees and Sadducees, 'Well that's a matter between you and your Rabbi, who am I to judge?' It would have made for a pretty flat Jesus , wouldn't it? But it would have saved him from getting into loads of trouble and winding up tortured and dying on a Cross if He'd just kept His mouth shut as Pope Francis advises.

    But the Holy Father is pretty choosy about when he decides he is going to open his mouth and closes it. About prominent pro abort politicians the mouth is to stay firmly closed and hey, who am I to judge?

    In the case of Traditional Catholics the mouth is to stay wide open in a stream of insults and you better believe he's going to judge. Judge like crazy.

     
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    We are orphans in a devastated vineyard. Our Blessed Mother told Father Gobbi that a time was coming when ALL institutions would fail and that we must hide in her heart as in an enclosed garden and she would protect us. So....even the institution of the Church has failed most egregiously but Our Lady is with us. This is so.much like thd prophetic words given to both Father Michael Scanlon and to ralph Martin in the 1970's.
     
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    Our Lady has said, 'At the End the only Arms left to you will be my Holy Rosary!' Which seems to suggest that even the Mass will be taken from us.

    But there have been occasions in the past, in times of bitter persecution, when the Rosary was enough and more than enough to carry on the Faith from one generation to the next.
     
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    You made me cry, Padraig. I'm not sure if it was the sorrow or hope of your words...
     
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    The Rosary is such a perfect prayer. I take it that very, very special graces indeed will be attached to its recitation in these End Times. I can see now why the Luminous Mysteries were reserved for these Latter Times. They suit so well.

    October 13, 1973 AKITA; JAPAN

    "My dear daughter, listen well to what I have to say to you. You will inform your superior."

    After a short silence:

    "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests."

    "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

    "The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"

    "With courage, speak to your superior. He will know how to encourage each one of you to pray and to accomplish works of reparation."

    "It is Bishop Ito, who directs your community."

    And She smiled and then said:

    "You have still something to ask? Today is the last time that I will speak to you in living voice. From now on you will obey the one sent to you and your superior."

    "Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved."

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    Unbelievable! The dems have no shame, no conscience, in touting themselves as devout Catholics.

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    Democrat Uses Our Lady of Guadalupe in Pro-Abortion Campaign

    CV NEWS FEED // A new campaign ad from pro-abortion Catholic Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, D-NV, features her with a statue of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and an image of Our Lady of Guadalupe behind her.

    The video presents Cortez Masto as deeply traditional, pro-family, and religious in an apparent bid to win over Catholic and Hispanic voters ahead of the November election.

    “I grew up hearing our family stories from my cousins and tias around my grandparents’ dinner table – everything I am is thanks to them,” Cortez Masto wrote in an introduction to the video ad on social media. “I’ll never forget where I come from – it’s what drives me to fight for our families every day.”

    Despite the pious image Cortez Masto projects in the new ad, the Nevada Democrat recently spoke strongly in support of unrestricted abortion in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s June decision to repeal Roe vs. Wade and return abortion legislation to state lawmakers. The decision was “devastating” and “absolutely unacceptable,” Cortez Masto said on the day of the ruling.

    Cortez Masto is widely considered the most vulnerable Senate Democrat up for reelection this year. Republicans need to flip just one seat to capture control of the Senate.

    In September, Cortez Masto followed the call of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-MA, for Democrats to shut down independent women’s care clinics – many of them run by Catholics – that do not offer abortions. Warren called such support centers “fake clinics,” baselessly accused them of “torturing” women, and proposed legislation to “crack down” on them.

    Warren’s proposal would empower the Federal Trade Commission to shut down pro-life charities that help women in crisis pregnancy situations. Cortez Masto signed on as a co-sponsor of the legislation.

    Cortez Masto also sponsored the so-called Women’s Health Protection Act, which would ban state lawmakers from passing any regulation of abortion (all the way up to birth) throughout the United States. The legislation would also void all existing abortion restrictions in every state – including parental notification laws, and would force taxpayers to fund abortions.

    “It’s shameful at this point for Senator Cortez Masto to even call herself a Catholic,” said CatholicVote Communications Director Joshua Mercer in response to the new campaign ad. “But to use the sacred images of our faith as props while pushing a radical agenda that she knows Catholic voters would reject if she said them out loud? That’s a new low.”

    Mercer added that Catholic voters should know that Cortez Masto’s opponent, Adam Laxalt, is a pro-life Catholic. “Laxalt’s position on abortion is not only more in agreement with most Catholic voters, but most Americans – including Democrats!” Mercer noted:

    I think everyone’s waking up to the fact that voters have had it with the Democratic Party’s new extremism on abortion. And it’s no surprise that politicians like Cortez Masto – who won’t support ANY limits on abortion at all and wants taxpayers to fund it – are now resorting to outright deception. After all, if she were honest about the radical abortion agenda she represents, she’d have no shot at all in November.

    10:00 AM · Oct 17, 2022


    Democrat Uses Our Lady of Guadalupe in Pro-Abortion Campaign - CatholicVote org
     
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    I actually feel more sorrow for them and sense need to pray for them. It’s another level they are reaching- not just offending God, but now almost mocking him. The fact they have no Fear of the Lord astounds me
     
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    Yes, miker, it just astounds me! At the time of Spain's conquest of Mexico and Our Lady of Guadalupe's appearance, the Aztec's system of human sacrifice had been eliminated. And I still recall that a few years back, when Mexico City voted in support of abortion, the image of a fetus appeared on Our Lady's tilma in the Basilica!

    Such a shame.:cry: Lord, have mercy on her soul!
     
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    Sickening. "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil"
     
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    Yes. They are standing on a precipice.
     
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    I find it hard to accept or understand the logic of the Vatican stance on abortion. I see it as an evil. Before my conversion I lived in the UK and never really thought deeply about the problem of abortion. When my wife was having our last child she was toward the end of the range of child bearing age. After her test the doctor offered her an abortion. She declined of course but she was sent for early tests to diagnose any possible 'fetal abnormalities'. Nearly all Downs syndrome babies are 'terminated' in the UK I think. To my absolute shame I remember thinking "what if it is down's syndrome or some other condition?". And I remember thinking "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it", with the implicit possibility that if it came to that then it might be necessary to 'terminate the foetus'. Looking back on it I thank God with all my heart that he did not put us in that situation. I might have failed the test. As Jesus told the 3 disciples at the garden of Getsemane,

    "pray that you will not be put to the test."

    So I was no better than your average street corner murderer. I now see abortion as a great evil. But how does one get this across to others without encountering the verbal assaults about 'forced motherhood' and 'lack of compassion'!

    I read an article once which said that President John F Kennedy originally held strong Pro-life beliefs. However, he was persuaded of the 'error' of his beliefs by a number of very influential Jesuit priests who were adherents of avant guard, nouvelle social justice ideas. Can this be true?

    More recently I remember, if I am not mistaken, hearing our Holy Father Pope Francis answering questions on a trip, and I heard him say that Abortion was not a moral problem but an anthropological problem. This troubled me greatly. I have never been able to track down this comment since. I suspect the footage may have been withdrawn by the Vatican.

    Now our Holy Father says it is akin to "hiring a hitman" which is clearly a moral problem. But yet he or the Vatican does not show any public condemnation of not just personal cases of abortion but even those promoting policies concerning millions and millions of abortions! And can it be true that the Vatican awarded a humanitarian award to Emma Bonino who had personally performed upwards of ten thousand abortions? Can that be true?! And is it true that the Vatican said that China is the country which best exemplifies Catholic Social teaching? China which is a large-scale perpetrator of population reduction through abortafacient 'reproductive health' procedures!

    I can only guess that the Vatican IS very concerned about 'overpopulation' and sees abortion more as an anthropological problem than a moral one.

    But if it is seen more as an anthropological problem, why can the Vatican not set even targets for reductions in the numbers of abortions, just as they promote sustainable development and climate change targets?

    Another strategy I have come across on the part of Irish and I presume Vatican Bishops is to say, "one must have a consistent pro-life position". By this I presume they mean that "you can't have a 'fundamentalist' anti-abortion stance unless you first deal with all the social justice issues". I.e., "you can't be bringing children into the world when the mothers and parents can't cope due to social impoverishment".

    This kind of stance reminds me of Marino Restrepo (may God bless him) saying "don't come to me talking against the vaccine unless you avoid using any services or products of any company which supports abortion - no colgate toothpaste, no iPads or computers etc.". In other words, don't talk to me on this anti-vax subject unless you have a consistent anti-vax position. It strikes me that the demand for having a consistent anti-abortion/anti-vax position is a tacit admission that you have lost the moral argument from the outset and are now adopting a pragmatic argument to justify your abdication of moral rectitude or righteousness.
     

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