Please watch this important video. Especially please note the conclusion of Mazza’s thesis starting at 43:25: I have no idea whether the professor is right or wrong, but his argument is exquisitely argued and very deeply rooted in Church history. We need to be very careful from here on out in condemning anyone who broaches this subject. We may find ourselves on the wrong side of history. Frankly this is the single best explanation of the reality in which we find ourselves I’ve seen to date.
I watched this. What sad times. I continue to think as little of Pope Frankie as I can possibly can. My blood pressure. My brain might explode. I did see Father Calloway mention (a priest for whom I have the very highest esteem) when asked the question as to why more priests did not speak out answered that they were simply too busy with Pastoral work to take it all in. I appreciate this. He also said he had a huge admiration for Bishops like Bishop Strickland and accepted their critique. I have long ago written Pope Frankie off the map and moved along with life. He is just no good (to put it very,very mildly). This makes me a happier and more peaceful person. He kinda is what he is. The less I think about the guy, the happier I am.
a question that torments me a lot about this: if Francis lost his legitimacy at some point by heresy then the appointments of bishops made by him are invalid as well as the priestly ordinations carried out by these bishops; and as a consequence countless numbers of Masses around the world as well?
I wouldn't loose a lot of sleep about it. It's above our pay grade as lay people. Leave it to the Bishops and pray for things. The Bishops will have to answer to God for all this; not us. Nice jobs lead to sleeping Shepherds. There is an awful of of snoring going on round here.
We’ve been collectively dancing (tiptoeing) around this elephant in the room for so long we have a hard time accepting that this is a valid, and gravely important, subject of discussion.
What good does it do? It is what it is. Why torture yourself? Matthew 6:34 “Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself: sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”
I certainly don’t lose sleep over this. In fact, other than collecting the facts as they can be known, I don’t think much more about it, except to constantly beg God’s Mercy, and for Him NOT to give us what we truly deserve.
It provides relief from the overarching heartache all of us are experiencing when we are lead to believe a valid pope can be a formal heretic advancing the LGBT and pop con agenda. If the possibility exists, no matter how small, that this thesis is true, then the whole “problem” of this current regime is moot.
God's Justice is something very much in my thoughts at the moment. I constantly thinking about the Prophesies of Rome Burning. Of Italy being invaded. Poor people. Pope Frankie is not their fault.
I just kinda pray and move on. If I could change a single inch of it by talking about it I would. I discern things have just gotten so bad it's more a time for prayer rather than talking. It's kind of like when someone is really dying, talk dies down a lot. Our poor Church is on it's death bed at the moment.
This is the time of the False Church; of the Triumph of Satan. It's a bit like Holy Saturday in the Liturgy. A time of Darkness and Reflection. A time of silence. Of awaiting huge events. Easter commeth. A time for simple prayer and silence.
There are still innocent souls, like the recent Hebrew Catholic forum member, who are completely snowed by this papacy and it’s henchmen, and could easily be lead into grave error by them and therefore perdition. Catholics are leaving for Orthodoxy and sedevacantism in droves right now over this Vatican regime; others are just quitting the Faith altogether. I feel a real duty to warn the few we can still reach not to fall for the grave errors currently being spewed by the Vatican, and how that does NOT challenge their understanding of Christ’s promises regarding the papacy.
When PF was first seen on the balcony I had shivers. I was scared, in fact. I went to confession and said I didn't like PF....had my face ripped off, thought I deserved it so just kept trying...eventually with help, the reality becomes obvious and, imho, it really is best to leave it to those who have the authority to do something about it. God Himself will eventually take care of it, including those sacramental issues we worry about...He will not leave us orphaned....
Hi Luan. The legitimacy of a Pope, will not affect the validity or invalidity of ordinations (or other sacraments). This is dogmatically defined. The Sacrament of Orders (and all Sacraments) requires three things: form, matter and intention. This is precisely why the SSPX bishops are all validly ordained. The legitimacy of a Pope would affect the legitimacy of any legislation of that Pope as well as papal appointments of specific bishops to specific dioceses and consistories of Cardinals. All of that legislation and those appointments would be rolled back to the policies and appointments of previous legitimate Pope.
Same. I had a gut feeling from day one that something was very very wrong. I fought against it, thinking this was irrational, for 8 to 10 months, before I gave in to my intuition and realized we had a real problem on our hands - either the worst pope in history, or, shudder the thought, an antipope. And my history of being the most often banned, still active poster here on MOG reflects that LOL.
I felt the same from first view on the balcony. I knew some nuns that were Gaga over him and crammed the pews of the National Shrine here to see him. They have , however, grown strangely quiet of late.
If one is not in communion with the actual Vicar of Christ, but instead one is in communion with an illegitimate imposter, that would seem to be the "wrong side of history." The period of the Avignon Popes supports that position, right? And if the teaching of the true Vicar of Christ contradicts the teaching of an imposter Pope, then it would seem that one would need to make sure she is in communion with the true Vicar of Christ and not the imposter Pope, right? Otherwise, she would follow the false teachings and could end up in Hell. Seems like a very important issue to me. An issue absolutely essential to the faith. No "pay grade" required. Any orthodox Catholic Catechism will guide the believer on the right path. Jesus's teaching and the teaching of his authentic pastors is the same "yesterday, today and tomorrow." A person who comes with "novel" teachings is to be avoided.
