Revelation 22;1-2 1" Then the angel showed me the river of life, rising from the throne of God and of the Lamb and flowing crystal-clear." 2" Down the middle of the city street, on either bank of the river were the trees of life, which bear twelve crops of fruit in a year, one in each month, and the leaves of which are the cure for the nations." I believe this biblical passage indicates that even after the glorious conversion of the Jewish people, nations around the world will have the chance to know the gospel and accept Christ as Savior; as well as asking for the intercession and protection of Our Lady.
+ In order to understand a singular verse of Scriptures, it is almost always necessary to view it in a larger context. In the case of Romans 11:25 .. the minimum read should be the full Chapter 11. Better yet, Chapters 9 and 10 provide a fuller background I'll stick with just Chapter 11.. The POINT continues with and concerns -> the Restoration of fallen Israel (some may relate that to non-Christian Jews) . The Remnant of Israel 1I ASK THEN, has God rejected his people? I cannot believe it! I am an Israelite myself, of the stock of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 [ Ps.94.14. ] No! God has not rejected the people which he acknowledged of old as his own. You know (do you not?) what Scripture says in the story of Elijah—how Elijah pleads with God against Israel: 3 [ 1Kgs.19.10-14. ] 'Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have torn down thine altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.' 4 [ 1Kgs.19.18. ] But what does the divine voice say to him? 'I have left myself seven thousand men who have not knelt to Baal.' 5In just the same way at the present time a 'remnant' has come into being, selected by the grace of God. 6But if it is by grace, then it does not rest on deeds done, or grace would cease to be grace. 7What follows? What Israel sought, Israel has not achieved, but the selected few have achieved it. The rest were made blind to the truth, 8 [ Dt.29.4, Is.29.10. ] exactly as it stands written: 'God brought upon them a numbness of spirit; he gave them blind eyes and deaf ears, and so it is still.' 9 [ Ps.69.22-23, Ps.35.8. ] Similarly David says: 'May their table be a snare and a trap, both stumbling-block and retribution! 10May their eyes be darkened so that they lose their sight! Bow down their backs unceasingly!' Is.59.20-21, Ps.14.7. ] : when that has happened, the whole of Israel will be saved, in agreement with the text of Scripture: 'From Zion shall come the Deliverer; he shall remove wickedness from Jacob. 27 [ Is.27.9, Jr.31.33. ] And this is the covenant I will grant them, when I take away their sins.' 28In the spreading of the Gospel they are treated as God's enemies for your sake; but God's choice stands, and they are his friends for the sake of the patriarchs. 29For the gracious gifts of God and his calling are irrevocable. 30Just as formerly you were disobedient to God, but now have received mercy in the time of their disobedience, so now, 31when you receive mercy, they have proved disobedient, but only in order that they too may receive mercy. 32For in making all mankind prisoners to disobedience. God's purpose was to show mercy to all mankind. 33O depth of wealth, wisdom, and knowledge in God! How unsearchable his judgements, how untraceable his ways! 34 [ Is.40.13, Jb.15.8, Is.23.18. ] Who knows the mind of the Lord? Who has been his counsellor? 35 [ Jb.41.11. ] Who has ever made a gift to him, to receive a gift in return? 36Source, Guide, and Goal of all that is-to him be glory for ever! Amen. ---- ONE OF THE SIGNS OF THE COMING JUDGEMENT DAY - IS THE CONVERSION OF SOME/MANY/ALL? JEWS - TO MESSIAH JESUS.. . +
Matthew 23:38-39 38 "Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"
Apparently, no, not all conditions have been met.. I'll expound more upon this in due time. PS -- Has my post above https://motheofgod.com/threads/romans-11-25.18713/#post-393495 answered your question?
As I'm assuming that you know? Most Jews of today are not Christian, yet, they're supposed to be. Got that so far?
OK... And too.. There are some wide gulfs still existing between modern Rabbinical Judaism and the in-general fundamental tenets of Christendom, Yes?
But doesn't Jesus talk about after the fulfillment of gentiles there will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the starts etc
In Romans 11: Paul teaches this re: Israel To Gentiles... (Abridged) Ingrafted Branches 11 Again I ask: Did they (Israel) stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring! 17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 20 they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! All Israel Will Be Saved (after the full number of Gentiles come in) 25 Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. 28 As far as the Gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.________________________________________________________________________________ MORAL? To "ISRAEL"? LEARN thee God's GOSPEL / JESUS.. IMBelief: Sons of Israel - the Native Olive branches - shall be magnificent - once arrived back to the root. +
Perhaps you missed this question: There are some wide gulfs still existing between modern Rabbinical Judaism and the in-general fundamental tenets of Christendom, Yes? (Reminder: Again, and As has already been shown above ... ref: https://motheofgod.com/threads/romans-11-25.18713/#post-393568 ... it's Paul via God's Holy Spirit 'talking' , and not Jesus ) RECAP: ---- All Israel Will Be Saved (after the full number of Gentiles come in) -- There's no mention of any notion of a 'stopping point' for Gentiles - and God determines "full number" / when... +
the boundary between physical Israel (Jews - Middle East) and spiritual Israel (Christianity - Gentile nations) will be torn down, and just as it only makes sense today to mention East Germany as something of the past (before the reunification of the country) so will it be with the term "time of the Gentiles" after the Jews join the church.
+ Signs that are to precede the general judgment The Scriptures mention certain events which are to take place before the final judgment. These predictions were not intended to serve as indications of the exact time of the judgment, for that day and hour are known only to the Father, and will come when least expected. They were meant to foreshadow the last judgment and to keep the end of the world present to the minds of Christians, without, however, exciting useless curiosity and vain fears. Theologians usually enumerate the following nine events as signs of the last judgment: ref: Cath Ency _______________________________________________________________ Two (of the Nine) Signs which connect w/this current discussion of Romans 11: General preaching of the Christian religion Concerning this sign the Saviour says: "And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come" (Matthew 24:14). This sign was understood by Chrysostom and Theophilus as referring to the destruction of Jerusalem, but, according to the majority of interpreters, Christ is here speaking of the end of the world. Conversion of the Jews According to the interpretation of the Fathers, the conversion of the Jews towards the end of the world is foretold by St. Paul in the Epistle to the Romans (11:25-26): "For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, . . . that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles should come in. And so all Israel should be saved as it is written: There shall come out of Sion, he that shall deliver, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob". +
But what concerns me is " the fullness of gentiles have come in" thus, no other gentiles can come in , only await for the Jews
