St. Malachy

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  1. mothersuperior7

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    I have a few questions. The 'translation' of St. Malachy's prophesies regarding the future Popes.
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    In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
    (In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

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    1: causing fear, dread, or apprehension <a formidable prospect>
    2: having qualities that discourage approach or attack
    3: tending to inspire awe or wonder : impressive
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    From Wikipedia.com
    The longest and final motto reads in the original Latin:
    In ꝑſecutione extre-​
    ma S.R.E. ſedebit.​
    Petrus Romanus, qui​
    paſcet oues in mul-​
    tis tribulationibus:​
    quibus tranſactis ci-​
    uitas ſepticollis di-​
    ruetur, & Iudex tre​
    mẽdus iudicabit po​
    pulum ſuum. Finis.​
    • This is usually translated into English as:
    "In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].​
    Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:​
    and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,​
    and the terrible judge will judge his people.​
    The End."​
    However, in the 1595 Lignum Vitae, the line In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit. forms a separate sentence and paragraph of its own, and it is unclear whether it is grammatically related to Gloria Olivae which precedes it, or to Petrus Romanus, which follows it.
    There is, also, a claim that the original list written by St. Malachy, does not contain a reference to Petrus Romanus - Peter Answer and that the last lines were added to the printed text in Wyon's Lignum Vitæ. This, however, cannot be proved, as the original manuscript (if any) probably no longer exists.

    words are a little different. 'pasture his sheep' and 'terrible judge'. Those are important changes! I also question : If the sheep are the pope Peter the Romans' then the terrible judge (anti-christ?) will judge HIS (the pope's people)....OR is it the DIVINE MERCY ILLUMINATION???
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  2. mothersuperior7

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    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12473a.htm (CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA)
    THIS I THINK IS THE BEST INFORMATION OUT THERE. AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL WRITE MY BOOK ABOUT.--MANY ARE ALREADY HAVING VISIONS WHO THIS MAN IS. HAS ANYONE YOU KNOW HAD VISIONS ABOUT THIS MAN? CONTACT ME. ----MS7
    Prophecies of St. Malachy

    Concerning Ireland
    This prophecy, which is distinct from the prophecies attributed to St. Malachy concerning the popes, is to the effect that his beloved native isle would undergo at the hands of England oppression, persecution, and calamities of every kind, during a week of centuries; but that she would preserve her fidelity to God and to His Church amidst all her trials. At the end of seven centuries she would be delivered from her oppressors (or oppressions), who in their turn would be subjected to dreadful chastisements, and Catholic Ireland would be instrumental in bringing back the British nation to that Divine Faith which Protestant England had, during three hundred years, so rudely endeavoured to wrest from her. This prophecy is said to have been copied by the learned Dom Mabillon from an ancient manuscript preserved at Clairvaux, and transmitted by him to the martyred successor of Oliver Plunkett.
    Concerning the Popes
    The most famous and best known prophecies about the popes are those attributed to St. Malachy. In 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to the pope, Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel. While at Rome, he received (according to the Abbé Cucherat) the strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before his mind the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Church until the end of time. The same author tells us that St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries. The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy", is a strong argument against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years.
    These short prophetical announcements, in number 112, indicate some noticeable trait of all future popes from Celestine II, who was elected in the year 1143, until the end of the world. They are enunciated under mystical titles.

    The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.

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    FROM SPIRITDAILY 5/22/12

    Does that mean the next Pope -- "Petrus Romanus" -- will be the last (at least on Saint Malachy's list)?
    [​IMG]There is argument over whether others through the centuries have meddled with Malachy's list -- and whether the saint, who lived in the twelfth century, even formulated it.
    He is quoted as saying that the final Pope on his list, Petrus, "will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The end (Finis)."
     
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    There is a big difference between Judging 'the' people, and Judging 'his' people. One makes me think of God, the other the 'antichrist'. ...WHAT SAY YOU???
     
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    I THINK THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES! I THINK WE HAVE OUR PETRUS ROMANUS!

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    Cardinal recounts details of Pope’s visit to St. Peter’s tomb

    CWN - April 03, 2013
    Cardinal Angelo Comastri, Archpriest of St. Peter's Basilica since 2006, has discussed details of Pope Francis’s April 1 visit to St. Peter’s tomb, which is located in the necropolis under the basilica.
    “His first stop was before the Egyptian Mausoleum (which dates back to the 2nd century),” Cardinal Comastri recounted. “In this mausoleum amid many pagan tombs there is also a Christian tomb. Christianity in fact, like yeast, was penetrating the pagan world. The Pope exclaimed in admiration: ‘It's like this today, too!’”
    “We then made a second stop before the funerary stele of a man called Istatilio,” the cardinal continued. “He was certainly Christian: on his grave is the monogram [chi-rho]of Christ. On the stele is inscribed: ‘He was at peace with everyone and never caused strife.’ The Pope, after reading the phrase, looked at us and said, ‘That is a beautiful program of life.’”
    Cardinal Comastri added:

    Climbing back up the stairs and having reached the Clementine Chapel, Pope Francis became absorbed in prayer and repeated with a loud voice the three professions of Peter: “Lord, You are the Christ, Son of the Living God”; “Lord, to whom do we go? You have the words of eternal life”; “Lord, You know all things! You know that I love you!” At that moment, we had the distinct impression that the life of Peter rose out of centuries past and became present and living in the current Successor of the Apostle Peter.
     
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    I confess that after the death of Benedict XVI it becomes more difficult to see the fulfillment of the motto "De Gloria Olivae" in his pontificate; after all, many scholars thought that the olive tree pointed to the Jewish people and their conversion; as well as the papal name benedict xvi which means "blessed" and seems to point to the prophecy of Matthew 23:39

    MATTHEW 23:39

    "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.''
     

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