Wasn't sure where to post this, so apologies if this sub-forum is inappropriate. Atheistic scientists are finding it increasingly difficult to keep God's foot from poking inside the door, as more and more physical information and constants confirm the purpose and intelligent design behind the Universe. In desperation, they have turned to a theory that possesses not one iota of evidence, whatsoever, in order to try and refute the appearance of Purpose, and thus God. This crackpot theory, which hardly deserves the label of conjecture, is the Multiverse. It's gist is that there are an infinite amount of universes, which covers every possibility conceivable. This implies that our universe is necessary, rather than contingent. In other words, our universe just has to exist, like all the rest of them do, but without any purpose or intent. Just an accident. A clever person, I recently read, pointed out that a universe with order and purpose, being also a possible universe, would undeniably have to be included in the multiverse-God's foot's right back in the door again!
...and Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a fraud, they still haven't found "the missing link." It should be removed in all science books.
Darwinism is totally discredited nowadays and from a multitude of angles. It took brave scientists like Michael Behe (a Catholic, if I'm not mistaken) to stick their head over the parapet and announce that the emperor was wearing no clothes. Yet, it's still an article of dogma within the mainstream scientific community and the lie is scandalously still taught to schoolchildren. Of course, it's not the science, it's the atheism.
It was just a propaganda used to attack Christianity in the previous century, sadly, many fell for it...
Isn't it tragic that so much of our time on earth is spent on things that are total human inventions, pure BS as it were - when the science of God, the real one is so beautiful? I discovered a scientist recently, David Bohm, a physicist who understood that the stuff that fills the cosmos - plasma - was named that way because it exhibited behavior that ressembled that of blood. He observed behaviour in plasma that matches how antibodies in our blood react and surround a foreign body. Plasma he said, was alive and intelligent and he asked important questions about our world. So he was marginalized like other honest scientists. But there are people who follow his work in the David Bohm society and a youtube channel with some interesting interviews. I haven't listened to them yet, but there is one called "Quantum physicist explains why "I am" is the name of God". I heard an interview years ago with a Chinese geneticist who said that is was well known among geneticists that Darwanism is nonsense because of what the human genome project revealed. That theory was about throwing a wrench in the gears of Western Christian nations as Jason says. And it worked! This stuff has seeped into the Church. I took my daughter out of a Catholic middle school after the head of the Catechism got aggressive with her for not believing in the big bang theory. She said God created the universe and the aggressive reply was "there is absolutely zero proof of that" and the teacher wanted to make sure that students in the class did not go the "dangerous" route of just believing God created it all. Honest scientists come to admit that God exists, everything points to that truth.
The only rational conclusion from the Big Bang is that it defines the moment when God did create the universe. The Big Bang was first proposed by a sound and orthodox Belgian priest, Fr. George Lemaitre. When he discussed the subject with Pope Pius XII, the latter was very enthusiastic because it did seem to point to the moment of creation. Fr. Lemaitre cautioned Pope Pius not to put too much trust in the theory, because science can change. As it is, the Big Bang Theory, at least as currently constituted, is on life support. It is unable to account for gravity and has resulted in the 'invention' of Dark Matter, another theory without a shred of supportive evidence, a mere cooking of the books in order to account for gravity. The recent Jame Webb telescope has found galaxies further away than ever before, but instead of the anticipated immature-looking galaxies, they have the appearance of galaxies much older, or at least more developed than was expected. There are also galaxies so far apart that the universe would have to be 200 billion years old to account for the distance between them, going by the proposed rate of expansion from the Big Bang. By default, we are being pushed back towards Genesis. Must look up David Bohm! I recommend Father Stanley Jaki (physicist, theologian, philosopher and historian) and Wolfgang Smith (physicist, mathematician and philosopher).
[QUOTE="DeGaulle, post: 422145, member: 4362 Must look up David Bohm! I recommend Father Stanley Jaki (physicist, theologian, philosopher and historian) and Wolfgang Smith (physicist, mathematician and philosopher).[/QUOTE] De Gaulle, I'm somewhat familiar with David Bohm having been aware of his work for some years. As far as I know he was Oppenheimer's last doctoral student and also worked with Einstein at Princeton. In later life his interests turned more in the direction of the philosophical implications of Quantum theory, human consciousness and the nature of thought. A documentary was made in 2020 on the life and thought of Dr. Bohm and while looking online after seeing these posts was somewhat surprised to see a review of the documentary on an e-zine called Kolbe Times (which I hadn't been aware of), a publication seemingly set up by a small group of Third Order Franciscans. I thought I'd copied the link to the article but will try to find it again and post it.
I find this material fascinating. Wolfgang Smith, a devout Catholic, is particularly good, theorising that consciousness, including Divine Consciousness, brings everything into Being via wave collapse. The old, deterministic, reductionist ideas are certainly taking a hammering. Wolfgang is now '93, but published a new book last year. Long may he run, God bless him.
Thanks for the recommendation. Wolfgang Smith's work looks very interesting, looking forward to learning more.
Jaki is briliant, too. A great scientist himself, he was very good at putting science in its place. Also, the leading authority on the history of science. He was notable for almost always using primary sources, a thoroughness that is rare. Smith more or less proves that it is not God Whose Existence ought be questioned, but the physical world itself. Physics is an abstraction that might not be real, yet many of its exponents are convinced that nothing else is. As Heisenberg said, the quantum world, which is a foundational component of physics, exists somewhere on a continuum between possibility and probability. The 'collapse of the wave function' is supposed to be the moment when the physical world, for example your average electron hitting a screen, enters into certainty and, thus, reality. However, no physicist has as yet come forward with even a rudimentary attempt at describing an equation for this ultimately fundamental occurrence. Smith has a book 'Science & Myth', which features a chapter demolishing Stephen Hawking's book 'The Grand Design', which is a good, broad introduction to much of his thinking.
[QUOTE="DeGaulle, post: 422190, Smith has a book 'Science & Myth', which features a chapter demolishing Stephen Hawking's book 'The Grand Design', which is a good, broad introduction to much of his thinking.[/QUOTE] Thanks DeGaulle, I was looking earlier at a list of books written by Wolfgang Smith and noticed a recent one called "Vedanta in the Light of Christian Wisdom" which I would be very interested to read. Unfortunately it's the only one not available on Kindle and the print version is quite expensive. I had a look on YouTube to see if there might be an interview with him and was happy to discover several recent, lengthy interviews related to his work and this topic of Vedanta and Christianity. Part 1 is around 4 hours long but second is shorter and is based around a series of questions about his work. Perhaps you've already seen these but if not, might be of interest.
Thanks DeGaulle, I was looking earlier at a list of books written by Wolfgang Smith and noticed a recent one called "Vedanta in the Light of Christian Wisdom" which I would be very interested to read. Unfortunately it's the only one not available on Kindle and the print version is quite expensive. I had a look on YouTube to see if there might be an interview with him and was happy to discover several recent, lengthy interviews related to his work and this topic of Vedanta and Christianity. Part 1 is around 4 hours long but second is shorter and is based around a series of questions about his work. Perhaps you've already seen these but if not, might be of interest. [/QUOTE] No, I haven't seen those. I find it hard to watch videos and prefer to read text. I haven't got that particular book, but it might be worth writing the name of it on Google and writing 'pdf download' after it. This might bring it up somewhere obscure. Smith is very respectful of old scriptures, which he considers to be a manifestation, if imperfectly formed, of God, with the Old and New Testaments being the perfect representation. Most of these scriptures include some form of the Golden Rule. He never speaks of Islam, which I'd say he considers to be only a modernist heresy-Islam, significantly, has no form of the Golden Rule. He frequently quotes from Hinduism in his books and the quotations don't jar to me. These ancients had a lot of valid insights, especially about the natural world. However, he never tries to over-ride any Catholic doctrine. He's no Teilhard. In fact, he's written a book that systematically completely refutes everything written by Teilhard. He could be compared to Aquinas in the way that the latter integrated aspects of Aristotle into Christianity. Found this useful intoduction from Wolfgang himself, which might dispel a few misunderstandings: https://philos-sophia.org/vedanta-christian-wisdom/ Upon reading this, it seems that this book is a recent one and being specially published in hard-back form, to diminish its chances of landing in the hands of those who might misinterpret it.
Yes, I also enjoy reading text but sometimes watching and listening to someone speak can give you a good sense of who they are and what they're trying to convey. I enjoyed hearing Smith speak about various topics, including time spent in India half a century ago, where he encountered some of these Vedic teachings before his return to his Christian roots. He also speaks about Teilhard and is quite clear that he does not agree with his ideas. The young interviewer allows him plenty of time to speak and elaborate his ideas.
Thank you HH, it was a shock and very sad incident, not the only one sadly. In fact, I meant to refer to another incident in my post above, not the big bang topic which also happened but the evolution theory where she was also targeted for suggesting that she doubted the theory. The person in charge made an example of her saying something about the danger of fundamentalism, that she had to turn to what scholars said about Genesis... I can't remember exactly now what she said, but do remember picking up my daughter and a friend after school who were both in shock about that incident. It's sad but also one of the reasons that I think there is much hope for the youth, because they are not well taught the essentials of the faith. They may be lost, but it's not totally their fault. Thanks for this link. I just love this subject of interconnectivity and believe that this is one of the things that was messed up in Eden with original sin. It's one of the things being set right before His Return. I see many scientists now studying the unity of science and spirituality which has got to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, to bring it all together so it can be gathered into His revived Church. Scientists who are honest will always remind me of the Magi who figured it all out just based on their honest science and faith.
For sure! Speaking of refuting science, Rupert Sheldrake's brilliant but banned TED talk has been re-edited in a wonderfully illustrated version: “Ten years ago, in January 2013, I gave my TEDx talk on The Science Delusion, which was later ‘banned’ by TED and has subsequently had more than seven million views on other websites. Last week this talk was re-released in a new, brilliantly illustrated version by an organization called After Skool.” ~ Rupert Sheldrake Watch on odysee or youtube https://odysee.com/@AfterSkool:7/exposing-scientific-dogmas-banned-ted:a?src=embed
Just ordered his book. I have a few of his already. He says he wrote 'The Science Delusion' as a counter to Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion'!
