I wanted to share this with anyone interested: https://colledelbuonpastore-eu.tran...uto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp And, FWIW, although the Carbonia prophecies always speak of urgency, keep in mind that "soon" means "soon in God's time." SOON GOD'S CHILDREN WILL BE KIDNAPPED. POSTED ONAugust 30, 2022 Carbonia 08-27-2022 - (First phrase). Soon God's children will be kidnapped. Today I am with you, as always, ... as soon as the Holy Rosary begins I am here with you, I join my hands to your hands, I bless you in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, I cloak you in Me and I always exhort you more to be faithful to Jesus Christ my Son, and to be living bread in this world, to be the salt of the earth. Behold, now we are in those times in which you will see manifesting all that the prophecies of the past and today have revealed. The servants of our Lord Jesus Christ are all united, they are ready for battle, soon the Lord will give the gifts of the Holy Spirit: ... blessed are those who believed even without seeing, ... blessed are those who have walked in the footsteps of the Lord, … Blessed are those who with so much love and with so much generosity have worked for the good of this Work of salvation, and for this Colle del Buon Shepherd. God has chosen his children, he is calling them all to gather here in this hill. You will see its wonders, my children, now we are in those times, little is missing from the manifestation of the Cross in heaven, little is missing from the manifestation of God to men. Soon the children of God will be kidnapped, taken to another dimension and sent back to Earth as apostles of the last times, to recover all those souls who have turned away from God… who have rejected God! God will try in every way to save these children, bringing them to their knees in the face of the worst sufferings. A great catastrophe is coming my children ! I have told you and I will announce it again today here at Colle del Buon Pastore, a place chosen by Heaven. God, one day he will reveal to you why he chose this place. Many wonder why Carbonia? Why that place? How come that seer? … How how? My children, do not put these thoughts into your mind, just think of praying and purifying your soul to be ready for the moment in which Jesus will manifest himself to the world. Only God knows what to do! Only God knows his plan! All you have to do is pray, bring yourself ever closer to Him for the salvation of your soul. Pray for those who are far from God, pray for those who still reject God and mock this call to the "Hill of the Good Shepherd." Here the Good Shepherd will manifest himself and embrace all of humanity to himself. Get ready. … Everything is about to happen! The Things of God must be realized in this time, it is not a question of years! Therefore, get ready for this meeting, for many it will be anticipated for others it will be postponed, ( ... according to the purity of one's heart) Here, for this I ask you to prepare yourselves: ... be ready! ... be pure so as not to undergo even a minimum of the sufferings that will come. I join my hands to your hands and I embrace all of you who are here at Colle, I bless you and I bless all those who are following Me from afar in this special call to Carbonia. All the works will come together! God's Work is Unique! God has called in so many places, and this is a chosen place where God's greatness will be manifested. I bless you again in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. ******* The Most Holy Virgin says again: Do not ask yourselves why, do not ask yourself these questions, pray and say: "Lord, anticipate your return because we are tired of seeing this world in ruins, we are tired of seeing creatures suffer for the wickedness of Satan" . We are in the final battle, ... the final battle! Soon Maria SS. of her he will crush, with her heel, the ancient Serpent; alongside her he will have a faithful following to Jesus Christ, her children, those who have answered their yes to Jesus, who have followed the holy Gospel, know the Holy Scriptures! I am aware of God! It is very important, the knowledge of God !! Who is God for you? My children, who is God for you? Beware! … There is no other Creator God! … There is no other God who can give you salvation! But Only Jesus Christ, the Son of God, your Savior, the SS. Trinity: God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, embraced by Maria SS. in a single embrace of love. Amen.
Hi Sparrow. Yes, most of the Carbonia messages have that characteristic. But they have been like that for many years. Here is the part of that message that interested me most. Soon the children of God will be kidnapped, taken to another dimension and sent back to Earth as apostles of the last times, to recover all those souls who have turned away from God… who have rejected God! Compare with St. Paul's autobiographical narrative in 2 Corinthians 12: [2] I know a man in Christ above fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not, or out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up to the third heaven. Scio hominem in Christo ante annos quatuordecim, sive in corpore nescio, sive extra corpus nescio, Deus scit, raptum hujusmodi usque ad tertium caelum. [3] And I know such a man (whether in the body, or out of the body, I know not: God knoweth), Et scio hujusmodi hominem sive in corpore, sive extra corpus nescio, Deus scit : [4] That he was caught up into paradise, and heard secret words, which it is not granted to man to utter. quoniam raptus est in paradisum : et audivit arcana verba, quae non licet homini loqui. In other words, some of us will be "caught up" (raptured) to the "third heaven" (another dimension) just as St. Paul was. However, the purpose of St. Paul being "raptured" was not to "escape" from "the world." Rather, it was to preach the gospel to the Gentiles. Similarly, the "rapture" in the end times will also have the same purpose. Those who are "raptured" will be "sent back to Earth as the apostles of the last times." What a wonderful opportunity for those chosen for this mission! How different that understanding of the "rapture" is from the evangelical Protestant vision.
St Paul was describing a mystical experience of a believer. The word kidnapped could well be a poor translation of the original.
'Soon the children of God will be kidnapped, taken to another dimension and sent back to Earth as apostles of the last times' Catholic understanding in Mystical Theology is very Conservative (as indeed it is in Theology generally) . What do we mean by Conservative? We mean that it builds on the Traditions of the past. It is very suspicious of the novel, the new. For instance that people be carried of to other dimensions and carried back again is novel. So we close the door to such carrying's on... ..and we say a firm, 'No', to it. We may well admire the vivid imaginings of folk who come up with such ideas, we place no reliability whatsoever on the notion that such wild imaginings have any anchor whatsoever in reality. Someone may for instance tell me he has met Jesus and Jesus has introduced me to a variety of Aliens' from other World (as indeed did Joe Smith of Mormon fame). I may give such a person my kind attention, but say a polite, 'errr.No'.
To be fair, I understand spiritual things to be in a non-physical dimension. Spiritual things are certainly real, we just can’t physically sense them. That means reality is more than the physical. I think Enoch and Elijah are not in outer space but are in a dimension where paradise is, and the 144,000 will be like Enoch and Elijah. I also think so-called extra terrestrials are inter dimensional fallen angels. If any being claims to take you to God test him.
It is a matter of language, I suppose. Thomas Aquinas never spoke in terms of demons being, 'interdimensional beings', nor the Fathers of the Church, nor Scripture. I find it hard to keep up. I wonder how you would define a , 'Dimension'?
Yes, St. Paul was describing "a mystical experience." And the quote from The Hill of the Good Shepherd is also describing "a mystical experience."
In the language of this day, how would you describe what St. Paul called "the Third Heaven," Padraig? Why is "another dimension" absolutely forbidden as phrase describing the exact same experience?
In the language of this day, how would you describe what St. Paul called "the Third Heaven," Padraig? After his conversion Catholic Legend /Tradition has it that St Paul went into the desert for a period of three years ( I believe Ven Mary of Agreda mentions this in her book 'Mystical City of God'). During this period Mystical Knowledge was infused in him by God and part of this was that he was taken up into heaven. Now we understand that Heaven is divided into nine levels of choirs in one of which we will reside with the angels therein. I believe that these nine choirs are divided into the sections each representing one of the Persons of the Trinity. Within these three levels each of them being three represent a person of of the Blessed Trinity. The, 'Third ' Heaven St Paul speaks of being taken to is the Highest Level of Heaven consisting of the Highest Three choirs of Angels. The Seraphim, The Cherubim and Thrones. The Seraphim representing the Holy Spirit, the Fire of God's Love. The Cherubim (As represented in the Ark of the Covenant) the resting place of God the Father...and the Thrones the Sovereignity of Jesus Christ which Paul later describes in Scripture. Why is "another dimension" absolutely forbidden as phrase describing the exact same experience? I did not describe it as, 'absolutely forbidden'. You are setting up an informal fallacy here by placing an argument I never made; also know as a 'straw man argument ', by placing in my mouth words I never wrote. I never stated that such words were, 'Absolutely forbidden.' Thus in defending such a position I would be defending a position I never held in the first place. However being men and not angels language is one of the main ways we have in understanding each other and in discernment. So naturally we Discern Language. One again there is another Informal Fallacy here in the suggestion that I reject the use of the word , 'Dimension' as a descriptive phrase or adjective. This is not so. What I am suspicious of is the novel idea that people are to be shifted of to heaven and brought back again as a safety place. I am suspicious of this because I never heard or read of such a thing before in Scripture, the Teachings of the Church , the Writings of the Fathers or of any of our mystics or saints. In other words it is Novel. Because two informal fallacies were introduced by yourself in a short space of time, I am going to assume that you are adopting an argumentative position here which is hostile. That rather than a sincere search for Truth. So I will leave it at that. Argument for the sake of argument does not interest me. Argument of the sake of argument is rather like a dog which chases it own tail. It winds up going nowhere but circles. However all this does remind me of the Protestant heretical arguments in favour of , 'The Rapture', which we as Catholics of course reject. But there I will leave it at that.
I found another message given to the seer of the hill of good shepherd from 2020 Revelations from GOOD SHEPHERD'S HILL Carbonia October 31, 2020 Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma, ... why did you commit suicide? Here I stand before you under the image of Our Lady of the Last Times. My beloved children, behold, all is accomplished, the charity of God our Lord is for His people. Soon He will manifest Himself in His greatness to take all His people with Him, all those who have followed, served, adored and loved Him with love, truth and faithfulness. I am with you on this precious hill in the eyes of God. His plan for this place is of infinite greatness; He will banish all evil and set here on Earth His Heaven and reign over this Hill forever. My homeland, my beloved, what has happened to you? Why have you sold yourself to my enemy? Why have you not taken refuge in the wings of your Lord God? Today you will drink the bitter cup of pain, you will be destroyed and you will be burned at the stake. Rome, Rome, Rome... Why did you commit suicide? Why, my daughter, have you become the enemy's slave? Why did you adorn yourself with gold and diamonds? Now everything is over, you will lose everything, your zeal has ended here, everything will suddenly be extinguished, ... as I say, this will happen now! The time of waiting is over, My children must have My reward, but you, who thought you were light in My Eyes, will lose your greatness forever. Italy is about to be struck by lightning, heaven advances, there will be no more harm, all evil must end here. Believe in these words of Mine and pray, O you who have not yet deigned to kneel before the Crucifix, for now you will be put to grief. St. Francis will soon rise to the sight of this Humanity and declare his true sanctity: ... he is the son of God and not of Satan! God knows man and he knows his son, he knows evil and he knows good, therefore truly I say to you: I am here with you and I proclaim the truth. St. Francis is the saint par excellence, he is the one who obeyed God and gave his life in poverty for the salvation of his brothers, for the fulfillment of the plan of salvation. Who responds today like St. Francis, perhaps the one who leads the Church today? I am mortified by the wickedness of man, I am tired of the deceit that he puts on My people, Enough! It is suicide. This Humanity is now at the end, its god is in the one who today unfolds in Peter's church. But Peter will now intervene to help Benedict XVI, with him he will declare the deception and say that Jesus will return, that everything will return to Himself, ... that life will begin again in love, charity, fidelity and truth. Place yourselves before the Crucifix and, prostrate before Him, declare yourselves men of God, asking God's forgiveness for all the horror you have committed. Amen Blessing and grace for you, for all my children. Amen. http://rivelazionidalcolledelbuonpastore.it/ The bolded portion is very strange and seems to be the ramblings of someone's mind and not a prophetic message. The message was given October 2020 and in retrospect, no discernible thing has happened to declare this message worthy of belief. How is the seer's concept of rapture different from Chuck Smith's?
"Kidnapped" sounds kinda strange, as usually being kidnapped is against ones will; and "another dimension"? No thanks. Could it be that they will be protected or maybe hidden from the sight of evil? The refuges some refer to come to mind, kinda like how the monks of Nagasaki were protected.
Just for the record, the Hill of the Good Shepherd original is written in Italian. The original Italian word, translated into English by Google Translate as "kidnapped," is rapiti. The Italian word rapiti is derived from the Latin verb rapio. The same Latin root word is used by St. Paul (2 Corinthians 12) in St. Jerome's Vulgate translation of the Bible. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rapito#Italian
I'm new here. I will try to do better next time. Please have mercy on me. Regarding the "rapture," you are clearly not aware that St. Thomas Aquinas discusses this exact event of 2 Corinthians 12 stating: But a person is made to be outside himself according to the cognitive power when he is raised up above the human mode to see something. This is the rapture about which the Apostle is speaking here. Here is the link to Aquinas. https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~2Cor.C12.L1.n447.4 I recommend that you read the entire discussion to understand the Catholic understanding of "the Rapture." And if you search in the Latin search box for "rap" (without quotes) you will see many other places where St. Thomas discusses the concept of "the rapture."
This exact question is taken up by St. Thomas Aquinas here: https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~2Cor.C12.L1.n447
The mathematical way to understand the word "dimension" is an extra coordinate to describe something. We live in 3 1/2 or 4 dimensions of space and time. To the modern ear all this talk about spirit is claptrap about wispy fairies and unicorns. But how would you explain what you are talking about in a way that they can comprehend what you mean by the word "spirit"? We mean something that is not bounds by the laws of physics, but is nevertheless real. Kind of like Flatland.
