Garabandal Unstoppable Waterfall

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  1. padraig

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    https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2021/02/14/garabandal-unstoppable-waterfall/

    Garabandal, Unstoppable Waterfall
    Posted on February 14, 2021 by Catholicism Pure & Simple
    We highly recommend this video which is both compelling and most relevant for our times.

    By way of introduction here is the content of a letter Saint Padre Pio wrote to the visionaries of Garabandal:

    Dear girls,

    At nine o’clock this morning the Blessed Virgin Mary told me about you, oh dear girls, about your visions and she told me to say to you:

    “Oh blessed girls of San Sebastian de Garabandal, I promise that I will be with you until the end of the centuries, and you will be with me until the end of the world, and then united with me in the glory of paradise.”

    Together with this I am sending you a copy of the Holy Rosary of Fatima, which the Blessed Virgin has ordered me to send you. The Blessed Virgin dictated this rosary, and she wants it to be propagated for the salvation of sinners and the preservation of humanity from the terrible punishments, with which the good God is threatening.

    I give you a recommendation: pray and make others pray, because the world is on the road to perdition.

    They do not believe in you or in your conversations with the white Lady, but they will believe when it is too late.

    March 3, 1962


    Mater Spei is proud to announce the production of “Garabandal, Unstoppable Waterfall.” This documentary will take us even further into Garabandal’s message of hope and conversion as we marvel at the incredible fruits that have come out of Garabandal ever since the apparitions took place. Garabandal, Uncontainable Cascade has located eyewitnesses of the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother in San Sebastian de Garabandal, Spain and interviewed valuable experts on Marian apparitions in order to delve deeper into both the prophetic dimension of Garabandal as well as the question as to why Garabandal is still awaiting a definitive judgment by Church authorities. Share the “Garabandal, Unstoppable Waterfall” trailer with all your contacts. More information: https://www.garabandalthemovie.com


     
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    I tried to take some rough notes, about 16 minutes in, says the girls had 3,000 apparitions....I did not know that.

    I had heard of this movie but had not viewed it. So, a nice unexpected pleasure.

    25th minute, the man talks about how they were resting in the Tavern of the father of one of the girls and at 3 AM, one, Maria Loli went into ecstasy behind the Tavern.

    So, still going through this, glad this was posted. I sort of know someone from Santander... we'll see if the chance ever comes up to talk about this. One of the girls was taken to Santander at one point so maybe Santander, the city is in that general area. I've seen Garabandal on the map but it's been awhile. I think Garabandal is up in that area.

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    God save Spain too, I hope we can work through all of this: Spain Passes Law to Put Pro-Life People in Prison for Praying Outside Abortion Clinics - LifeNews.com

    "The warning, the sign, the chastisement", about where I am on this.
     
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    Thank you TinNM for sharing the above story about restrictions on pro-lifers in Spain. The noose continues to tighten across the West!

    Lord have Mercy!
     
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    This letter is astounding. Has it been published here before? It is the first time I am seeing this.
    God bless!
     
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    Someone emailed me all this, they know a lot more than I, if they would like to comment?
     
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    It was Our Heavenly Mother who helped my conversion twelve years ago, in particular through her apparitions at Fatima and Akita. Initially brought up through East German schooling as an atheist, in my 30ies I started reading about scientific studies on near-death-experiences and began to ask questions. I then searched for scientific evidence for miracles. It was Fatima and Akita in particular that I could not refute. Based on this, and on personal help with my conversion I received from Mother Mary, I have had a strong interest in Marian apparitions ever since my conversion.
    I have retained my skeptical mindset and I always look for hard evidence before accepting anything as truth. It seems clear to me that the vast majority of alleged apparitions is nonsense.
    One of the most stunning apparitions or pseudo-apparitions has to be Garabandal. This is partially because it is one of the most recent apparitions with lots of photographic evidence. But to me, the most fascinating aspect of Garabandal is the 'illumination of conscience', to occur during Conchita Gonzalez's lifetime. If Garabandal is true, we can expect the illumination event soon, given Conchita was born in 1949.
    This would certainly mark the most decisive turning point in human history. If everyone on this planet sees himself from God's perspective (i.e. the soul status), the dynamics of society would be changed in ways unheard of, for the better. Mass conversions would follow, the confessionals would fill, life on earth after this event would be unimaginably beautiful, heaven on earth. Everybody would be careful not to sin or to hurt anyone. All would want to take as little as possible and give as much as possible. For example, haggling over a used car or over a house for sale would change into something like: "Please, your offer is too high, don't pay me so much." "No, you need this money more than I do, please accept my offer." Obviously, a dream come true, paradise on earth. And likely in our lifetime, if Garabandal is true prophecy!
    Considering the validity of Garabandal, I initially took quite a favorable point of view. This was based on the vast photographic evidence and due to the fact that the 'illumination of conscience' seems similar to the 'three days of darkness' (which I accept as true prophecy).
    Things changed around the time of Joey Lomangino's death in 2014. I became much more skeptical towards Garabandal and thought that this apparition is probably of demonic origin, for different reasons. Before 2014, Garabandal devotees had always maintained that Joey's eyesight would be physically restored during his earthly lifetime. This obviously never happened. I essentially wrote Garabandal off as false prophecy.
    Now, apparently a letter of Padre Pio has come to light, in which the saint seems to acknowledge the validity Garabandal based on his own mystical insights. This is astounding, because Padre Pio is a well-known mystic.
    I am interested in reconsidering the validity of the Garabandal apparitions. Regarding the alleged letters Padre Pio wrote in support of Garabandal, I had written to "Kanal Pater Pio" a while ago, enquiring about this. As a response, I was informed that it is "doubtful" that Padre Pio had written such letters.
    I would like to know more about the letter that is shown here in this thread. Has anyone examined its authenticity? Where and when has it surfaced?
    I had enquired about Garabandal a few years ago (before my email to Kanal Pater Pio). At that time, I had been told the letters by Padre Pio to Conchita "have been lost".
    Is there any more information or hard evidence about Pater Pio's stance concerning Garabandal? What do the holy people on this beloved forum make of the death of Joey in 2014, given that he was supposed to have his eyesight restored?
    What do you make of the fact that the visionary girls were stealing apples before the apparitions? Isn't that of biblical significance (reminiscent of the Garden of Eden)?
     
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    I am very interested to hear people's answers to these things as well. I feel the same as you and have the exact same questions, while remaining very open to Garabandal's authenticity. I, too, wrote to the reputable center of St. Padre Pio (the same place that helped me become an official spiritual child of his), and the response was that there is no proof or confirmation that St. Padre Pio approved of Garabandal. It perplexed me, since this letter circulates around.
     
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    Michael, Glenn Hudson maintains a Garabandal thread here on MOG. He has assembled a wealth of evidence for you to peruse if you have not done so yourself.

    Our Lady of the Brown Scapular, pray for us!
     
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    Thank you, dear Mario. In weighing up evidence, I often start by looking for unbiased sources. For example, regarding Akita, we have video evidence of the miracle of tears filmed by a Japanese television crew. Regarding Fatima, we have thousands of eyewitnesses. This includes a poet who witnessed the sun miracle whilst writing on his veranda as well as the initially sceptical reporter of the newspaper O Seculo, Mr. Almeida. I am sure you know all that, of course.
    God bless!
     
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    This is highly interesting! I am glad you are a spiritual child of Padre Pio, I am as well.
    I wrote to the German YouTube channel "Kanal Pater Pio", perhaps this is the German branch of the same centre that you wrote to? The answer I received regarding Garabandal was very akin to yours - that it is questionable whether Padre Pio supported Garabandal.
    It would be helpful to know more about this letter allegedly written by the great mystic St. Padre Pio, especially:
    In whose possession is the letter today? When was it first published? Who published the letter on the internet? Why was it not published earlier? Why had this letter, of which I had heard before, been considered lost previously, how did it surface? Has the authenticity of the letter been physically examined by a reputable/scientific source?
    Answers to these questions are very important, I think, because the validity of Garabandal remains questionable and to my knowledge no official Church approval has been granted. However, if Garabandal is true prophecy, the Illumination of Conscience must be near (given Conchita's age). This would be a world-changing event of biblical dimensions, dwarfing even Fatima and Akita and sanctifying the dynamics of society in a tremendous and sudden way never before seen in history.
     
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    Michael,

    My hope is that the Miracle will occur on the 2nd Thursday of April in 2024, necessitating that the Warning would occur within the prior year (365 days), but more hopefully in the first months of 2024. My life doesn't revolve around this event, simply because the Lord knows the day of my appointed death and it very well could come first. I hope for these prophesied events to soon be true, primarily because they would produce a cascade of conversions which our sad world desperately needs.

    I'm also aware of the sensible arguments against, and occurrences that produce doubt (ex. the prediction concerning Joey's eyes), but since my walk with the Lord is not dependent on Garabandal, I'm not bothered. I believe in Fatima and try to keep the spiritual practices offered (ex. 5 First Saturdays), but ultimately they all remain pieces of the whole puzzle. I try to always keep my eyes on the Hearts of Jesus and Mary, in my trust on God's Providential care, in the Holy Spirit's gentle but powerful assistance, and of course, the Sacramental Life! And then there is my wonderful wife keeps me in line!:ROFLMAO:

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
     
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    Wonderfully put!
     
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    Did you know Michael that Padre Pio knew Joey Lomangino and healed him by returning to him his sense of smell which he had lost after the accident?

    Padre Pio said it was not within his gift to return his sight.

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    Dear Garabandal,
    Thank you so very much. I had probably heard of this (I seem to recall now), but had forgotten about it, because since 2014 I had pretty much written off Garabandal as false prophecy in my opinion.
    This one would be among the questions that I am asking myself. Is this true that Joey was healed of his sense of smell by Padre Pio? Is there any unbiased evidence for this outside the circle of Garabandal devotees?
    For example, the Padre Pio apostolates of today such as Kanal Pater Pio and the one quoted by Purple Flower seem to be agnostic about Pater Pio's support of Garabandal. They often quote books such as biography's of Padre Pio, and there is mention of many miracles but there appears to be none related to Garabandal in unbiased books about Padre Pio.
    The thing is, the Garabandal community including Joey himself always thought that he would be physically healed of his blindness during his lifetime. This never happened.
    Other aspects that I find disturbing, even bordering the ridiculous perhaps, are the weird prophecies of Garabandal, such as (I am paraphrasing) "the miracle will happen between Tuesday and Thursday on an afternoon between March and June but not in May on a feast day of a martyr of the holy Eucharist in an even year when the winter had been cold" and the like. I find it difficult to take that seriously, it suggests demonic influence in my opinion. Of course, everybody is free to believe what he wishes, based on free will.
    As for me, I have been skeptical about Garabandal, but having recently seen the letter allegedly written by Padre Pio, I am keen to revisit and perhaps adjust my opinion. This is because, if true, Garabandal in my opinion is probably the most important Marian apparition and prophecy of our time, to which a huge hope of a sudden mass conversion is connected (a true or false hope, that is the question).
    I understand and admire, for example, Mario's view, who says, (I am paraphrasing) "I am at peace about this, I am inclined to believe in Garabandal, but I am not clinging to it." But as for me, I cannot take that stance. To me Garabandal is huge, either a massive distraction by the adversary that has people clinging to a false hope, or a massive Marian prophecy where this very hope is true and we can soon expect the illumination of conscience followed by a mass conversion.
    May our Good Lord bless you muchly, and all here on this forum, I will continue adding your intentions and your families to our Rosaries.
     
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    If it was a demonic apparition, it is my belief that Our Lady works in mysterious ways. When one visits Garabandal there is such faith in Our Lady of Mt Carmel, that even the unbelievers believe. That is the miracle, bringing lukewarm Catholics back to the faith. Even if there is no warning, the believers will continue to believe and pray to Her.
     
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    Yes, even though the letter from St. Pio is circulated on the internet and promoted as authentic, there is no direct confirmation from the Capuchins in San Giovanni Rotondo or those in Rome that this is truly the case.

    What is needed is signed confirmations from those left in Garabandal that this letter actually arrived there for the girls. And surely Conchita can confirm whether she knows if it was assumed to be authentic from what she remembers. I cannot imagine that if a letter was received from Padre Pio in 1962 that someone there, presumably one of the priests, would not have explained how very important such a correspondence was.

    Additionally the letter has no connection to San Giovanni Rotondo... no address, no reference to the monastery there, no reference to Padre Pio, no corresponding envelope postmarked and showing an address. While the letter looks old, that means nothing. sadly things like this have been faked.

    And yes while Padre Pio had friars respond for him to letters received, this was not a response to a letter received that we are aware of. Therefore one would assume that it was dictated by Padre Pio. Again this would be news inside the friary if Padre Pio on his own volition chose to write the girls and authenticate the apparitions. But there is no such confirmation from the friars.

    This has to be authenticated by someone of note tied directly to Garabandal today, with a signed confirmation, or from the friars. Until then the letter cannot be seen as authentic. No matter how much we want it to be authentic. And to promote this as authentic is wrong if we do not have reliable proof.
     
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    Glenn Hudson is the best person to speak about this and answer your questions.
    Conchita was given one of Saint Padre Pio's gloves and she was also given a relic from his burial veil which speaks volumes imho
    Glenn has posted about this numerous times on his thread on Garabandal here is an example #4299 and #4300. From Glenn's post, "He left her his rosary, one of the 3 Veils that covered his face at his wake, and one of his blood stained gloves."

    In addition, Glenn has also addressed questions about the letter here #4302 , #4303 , #4304 and #4305 . I hope that this helps all of you. +
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Garabandal is southwest of Santander, 92 kilometers or close to 6o miles. However, the drive takes about an hour-and-a half.
     
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