Has Russia been Consecrated-Excellent read!

http://catholicexchange.com/russia-consecrated-mary

 

This article hits it on the head. Jesus said , 'By their fruits you shall know them. If Russia
is converted, where are the fruits?

 

Today, Charlie Johnston weighs in on this argument and is very persuasive.

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/on-the-consecration-of-russia/

 

I am not sure if we can say God God has, 'Adjusted His demands ', vis a vis the Conesration of Russia'.. The only way we could be sure is if the Mother of God had been sent down from heaven and formally acknowledged this.

Till then....

 

I guess we will find out the truth one day.
Our Lord told us this much ,the King of France...., 'like him they will follow him into misfortune.' And his misfortune was great.So He has told us the Church will fall into great misfortune.

Charlie J...'Had the Church acted in the mid to late 1920s, it could have made a clean consecration of Russia.'

Sister Lucia only received instructions in June 1929...
In June of 1929, Our Lady appeared to Sr. Lucia in her convent in Tuy, Spain. As promised, the Blessed Virgin requested the consecration she had mentioned 12 years earlier at Fatima. Our Lady’s words were recorded in Sr. Lucia’s memoirs:

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  The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the Bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. There are so many souls whom the Justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I have come to ask reparation: sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.
  
  Charlie J ...'They are right. Sr. Lucia said – and St. John Paul – said that the consecration was accepted in heaven. I believe they are right.'
  
  Please bring forward your best evidence to support this.I hope its stronger than Bertone said so.

 

And what makes St JPII efforts so special?

Pius XII already did the same thing.
Actually he did more, He even mentioned Russia , which NO OTHER POPE has done

 

We will still be arguing about this in heaven.

 

No chance Padraig .The Diabolical disorientation will be unveiled.

 

One thing is for certain and that is there are very very few First Satruday Masses of Reperation that are being done by our priests throughout the world. So very few laity even know of this request and very few who do know of Fatima's request make an effort to do so. Now with so many accepting the statement one very questionable man (Cardinal Bertone) word that the consecration has been done there is little reason in the minds of our priests or laity to continue the 5 First Saturday's. A good man, Charlie Johnson, like so many others, rely soley on one man's testimony that both "Pope John Paul II and Sister Lucia said it was done". Neither made a public statement as such. Every bit of evidence before and after Bertone's statement speaks loudly to the contrary. It seems as if this great 'diabolical disorientation' debate is one of Satan's greatest disception upon the Church. One, very questionable man's word, is all we have as the world continues its spiral downward spin to the greatest tribulation it has ever been seen.

 

Plus I have a simple question. In the Bible when God gave specific instructions to people, he made no exceptions to the instructions. For example, he told naman to wash 7 times in the Jordan river to be cleansed of leprosy, not five or six. The Israelites had to march around Jericho a certainnumber of times before the walls fell. Noahs's ark was to be built to specific dimensions to survive the flood. Jesus told the disciples to drop their nets on a specific side of the boat to catch the fish. There are other examples. In each of these examples God did not change the conditions. If the above did not follow God's instructions exactly, there would have been no blessing. Is it possible, the same applies to the consecration o Russia? Mary asked for the consecration of Russia, not the world. Maybe modern man needs to learn to have simple unquestioning faith again. This month both China and Russia have successfully tested 10 warhead mirvs with a range of about 7500 miles. These also have mobile launch capability. The nuclear doomsday clock is approaching midnight again. Obviously, there is no , peace in the world as 2015. Whatever ones opinion on whether it has been done or not. What harm would there in doing a consecration of Russia now. I think we may have to much to lose if not done and tremendous blessing if done. Happy new uear.

 

Nice balanced piece on this from Charlie Johnston.

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/on-the-consecration-of-russia/

 

Exactly

 

Then we have those who believe we must accept that the consecration is done or we are not being obedient.
They place great importance on obedience, as they should. Yet care little about obedience to Heaven's request.

 

Obeying and having your own thoughts on a matter are two completely different things. How is not believing that the Consecration has been done in disobedience with the church? It is not disobeying to not believe Cardinal Bertone's stance on the matter. I will always obey the church but the church has never told me that I could not believe that the Consecration has not been done just like they have not told me that Garabandal or Medj are not true either for example. I just cannot believe that it has been done yet for so many reasons already stated over and over again on this site and topic by myself and others. I understand where Charlie is trying to come from and can I say that I am 100% certain it has not been accepted? No, but I would say I am 98% certain based on the how the world is today. I also have to question one other thing. Mary said that the consecration would come late, so what is the definition of late? Was it late and at the last hour in 1984? I don't know and can't answer it, but 30 years later now, it feels much much later if you ask me. Sure 30 years is nothing in God's "time" since there is no time with God, but it is quite a bit of time here for us.

 

The miracle of the Sun would have been even greater.But due to being kidnapped the children could not make it.
This was not even the childrens fault,yet shows us the importance of obedience to Our Ladys requests.

On August 19, Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta were assembled at a place called Valinhos, near Fatima, late in the afternoon, when they again saw Mary, who spoke to Lucia: "Go again to the Cova da Iria on the 13th and continue to say the Rosary every day." Mary also said she would perform a miracle, so all would believe, and that if they had not been kidnapped it would have been even greater.

 

Mac??? The children were at the Miracle of the Sun so I don't know what you are talking about here?

In my Fatima Book I have at my desk it says this:

While the miracle of the sun was taking place, the children alone were privileged to witness several remarkable visions in the heavens. As Our Lady had promised, St. Joseph had come with the Holy Family and he had blessed the world. Then, Our Lady appeared as the Mother of Sorrows, accompanied by her Divine Son, who also blessed the world. Finally, Lucy had seen the Blessed Virgin Mary, dressed in the brown robes of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, crowned as Queen of Heaven and Earth, holding a brown Scapular in her hand, with her infant Son upon her knee. However, in none of these visions had any of the figures spoken to the children.

 

The children missed the August 13 meeting with Our Lady.

As 13 August approached, the story of the apparitions had reached the anti-religious secular press, and while this ensured that the whole country knew about Fatima, it also meant that many biased and negative reports were circulating. The children were kidnapped on the morning of the 13th by the Mayor of Vila Nova de Ourem, Arturo Santos. They were interrogated about the secret; but despite his threats and promises of money, they refused to divulge it. In the afternoon they were moved to the local prison and threatened with death but determined that they would die rather than reveal the secret.

If the children had of made this meeting in August, the miracle of the Sun would have been even greater in October

 

Oh, I see. Thanks. I knew they were taken but I did not know that last part about the miracle would have been even greater. When did Mary say that?

 

On August 19, Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta were assembled at a place called Valinhos, near Fatima, late in the afternoon, when they again saw Mary, who spoke to Lucia: "Go again to the Cova da Iria on the 13th and continue to say the Rosary every day." Mary also said she would perform a miracle, so all would believe, and that if they had not been kidnapped it would have been even greater.

 

Here is the bottom line for those who believe and those who do not believe the consecration of Russia has been fullfulled. For those who believe it has been done to fullfill the Fatima request they are most likely not doing the Frist Satruday reperations any longer and they are not praying for the consecration for Russia to take place. If they are wrong, they are hindering and prolonging the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. For those who do not belive that it has been done, they continue to pray for the consecration and fullfill the First Saturday of Reperations as Mary requested at Fatima and will help usher in the Triumph of the Immcaulate Heart.