Could this be the words of the missing text?..... A great chastisement will fall on the entire human race; not today as yet, not tomorrow, but in the second half of the Twentieth Century. No longer does order reign anywhere and Satan will reign over the highest places directing the course of events. He (Satan) really will succeed in infiltrating to the top of the Church. Also for the Church a time of Her greatest trials will come. Cardinals will oppose Cardinals; Bishops will oppose Bishops and Satan will march amid their ranks, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall will never rise again. The Church will be darkened and the world deranged by terror. A great war will break out within the second half of the Twentieth Century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the water of the oceans will become vapors and the foam will rise up and flooding and sinking everything. Millions and millions of people will die by the hour and the survivors will envy the dead. Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world. At last, those who will survive all of these events will once more proclaim God and His Glory and serve Him like before, when the world was not so corrupted......http://www.chiesaviva.com/terzo segreto ing.pdf
This does correspond with Pope Saint JPII's statement at Fulda Germany: http://www.fatima.org/thirdsecret/fulda.asp Text of the Published Report The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?" Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves. "On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired." The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil." At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God." The Holy Father was then asked: "What is going to happen to the Church?" He answered: "We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ … With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary."
but that did not happen at the end of the 20th century so would we then be saying that this was delayed due to some strong prayer or possibly the consecration of the world in 1985 by St. JP2 bought the world some more time to convert?
There is a lot of evidence that Russia was planning to invade Europe in the early 1980s but there was a major catastrophe that prevented them: Soviet Naval Disaster of the Day - Severomorsk is Nearly Obliterated, 17 May 1984 http://redbannernorthernfleet.blogspot.com/2008/05/soviet-naval-disaster-of-day.html Pope Saint John Paul II consecrated the world (but not Russia by name) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25th, just two months prior. I think he bought us time with that consecration but unless Russia is consecrated as expressly asked at Fatima we are facing real trouble, soon.
Though I do think it is very possible that this was delayed because of prayer and the consecration I am inclined to believe that it is possible that the beginning of all this started in the 2nd half of the 20th century but that the fulfillment will be completed over the next few years (2017 seems to be a major player in all of this = 100 years from Fatima. There is no clear indication that what was written had to be fulfilled with the 20th century but that it started then. "A great War will break out" doesn't necessarily mean that the beginning of this war had to be military based. Russia certainly sent over many spy groups throughout the world to infiltrate governments, schools, and churches to move the viewpoints toward socialism/communism for the purpose of setting the stage of their eventual military takeover. By changing the views of people over a few generations then those people won't fight as hard to stop the eventual military take over. We also know from Free Masons own documentation that they knew they would not be able to destroy the Catholic Church from without, but that they would have to infiltrate the Church and try and destroy it from within. I just think that we don't always interpret prophecy correctly and often don't see that there can be deeper meaning in it.
Just think of the damage done to the Church in the seminaries during the 5o's -80's. In the U.S., I think many of them were dens of homosexual activity. (And I believe there was no 'pedophile' crisis among the priests, but an acting out of the homosexual lifestyle, which always seeks youth). Saint John Paul the Great sent Cardinal Ratzinger to straighten much of it out, hence his nickname as "God's Rottweiler". I think many were shocked at how gentle and mild he was as Pope - it just demonstrates to me how someone docile to the Holy Spirit will be faithful to any assignment, whatever it takes! My conversion, or reversion, happened in 1988, and I don't recall an ordination for years. Now, we are getting so many holy young priests! The battle cry of the 1960's was "Don't trust anyone over 40." Sometimes I think the same way - a priest over 40 (or 50) is suspect until proven to be faithful. Sad, but true.
2017 is a pivotal year. Not many realise it will also be the 500th anniversary of Luthors protest, Oct 31st 1514, EDIT: THAT SHOULD READ 1517
Spot on kathyk! I was just at an ordination last Sunday in Gallatin,Tn for a local-born now priest. It was amazing! Very traditional high mass with many young priests. The homilist was one Msgr Eugene Morriss, a teacher at the seminary in Cincinnati,Ohio. One of the most talented priests I have ever seen. Wow!
Just as the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church, persecution has its' benefits as well. Once upon a time, the priesthood had lots of perks - free education, status in the community, no worries about how to pay the light bill, etc. Any young man who enters the seminary these days knows that he is not going to be praised by the world or enjoy a life of ease; instead, he's likely to have a bulls-eye on his back! This shower of vocations upon the Church is such a gift!!! We must pray for our priests, the holy ones and the deceived ones.
Prayer to St. Joseph for priests from the Benedictine Monks of Perpetual Adoration O glorious Saint Joseph, who, on the word of the angel speaking to you in the night, put fear aside to take your Virgin Bride into your home, show yourself today the advocate and protector of priests. Guardian of the Infant Christ, defend them against every attack of the enemy, preserve them from the dangers that surround them on every side. Remember Herod’s threats against the Child, the anguish of the flight into Egypt by night, and the hardships of your exile. Stand by the accused; stretch out your hand to those who have fallen; comfort the fearful; forsake not the weak; and visit the lonely. Let all priests know that in you God has given them a model of faith in the night, obedience in adversity, chastity in tenderness, and hope in uncertainty. You are the terror of demons and the healer of those wounded in spiritual combat. Come to the defence of every priest in need; overcome evil with good. Where there are curses, put blessings, where harm has been done, do good. Let there be joy for the priests of the Church, and peace for all under your gracious protection. Amen.
Sometimes I so tire of the constant curiosity about the 3rd secret. Even if it hasn't all been revealed to us - so what? When a child asks its parents where babies come from, the answer almost always depends on the age and maturity of the child. What is the point of a toddler haranguing his parents until he gets the biologically correct answer? I'm not the pope. I don't think either Francis or Benedict XVI have responded in the 'Why did you pick your name' thread, so I assume they aren't forum members either. So what if there are questions we can't have answered. Maybe we're not mature enough to cope with the full revelation and the accompanying responsibility that goes with it. If successive popes and Sr. Lucia say I don't have to worry about the third secret and the consecration, well then I'm just not gonna worry. There's a whole lotta lovin' I'm supposed to be doing, and I think I'll go and do some of that now.
If Jesus sends His Mother to earth to warn us of impending troubles, as well as Heaven's instructions on avoiding them, I don't want fallible men making imprudent decisions thwarting the proper distribution of these Heavenly messages. Papal decisions in this regard are not matters of Faith and Morals per se, so they are not infallible decisions. They could indeed be very imprudent and unwise decisions that could cause untold unnecessary suffering and the loss of millions of souls that otherwise may have repented and been saved. I don't think its prudent to mock those concerned about the Third Secret.
Since the Blessed Virgin wanted us to know in 1960 , then I want to know.She has the remedy to all the problems we are facing. And only She can save us. Her Son is going to punish us.[and we deserve it] Regarding the text above, it maybe close to the truth , But we are still missing the 'In Portrugal the dogma of the faith ' etc Which should be the start of the full text.
And that is exactly my point - You say: "I don't want fallible men making imprudent decisions thwarting the proper distribution of these Heavenly messages. " We are not talking about popes from the house of Borgia, we are talking about our recent popes. I can't speak for anyone else on this forum but I was to put my own fallibility against that of any of our recent popes, I think it would be a safe bet that I'd lose. And from Mac: "Since the Blessed Virgin wanted us to know in 1960 , then I want to know.She has the remedy to all the problems we are facing. And only She can save us. Her Son is going to punish us.[and we deserve it]" I struggle with this for a couple of reasons. First: I think Our Lady wanted the secrets to be given to the pope for him to then deal with them. (I could be wrong about that.) She didn't ask that the secret be given to editor of Time magazine or such like. So I infer that getting the information out any way possible was not her primary intent. Second: I really need to think about the line "only She can save us. Her Son is going to punish us." I really need to think about that. My love to you both and even if I am on a different wavelength to you right now, my prayer is that all of us align to the will of God through our Blessed Mother - and if I'm the one who has to chance then so be it.
p.s. I apologize for any aspect of my post that gave a sense of mockery. That was not my intent but I accept that it could have been inferred. I give my unreserved respect to those concerned about the Third Secret - I am often late to arrive at the battle field, thinking the smoke was from camp fires.
That is fine to hold another view Bart. And your being so polite that I have no choice but to put my hammer down..And discuss calmly " Sister Lucy had made the Bishop of Fatima-Leiria promise that the Secret would be read to the world at her death, but in no event later than 1960, "because the blessed Virgin wishes it so."
Many of the decisions that were made in the second half of the 20th century regarding the message of Fatima were not made with the goal of the salvation of the greatest number of souls in mind. They were made by the Secretariat of State's office for political and diplomatic purposes. Saint Pope John XXIII wanted Russian Orthodox clergy present at Vatican II and Russia permitted this but extracted a grave price for it. The Vatican had to sign an accord with Moscow pledging not to criticize Russia. That effectively silenced the Vatican regarding the messages of Fatima in regards to Russia. Communism, the single greatest threat to mankind in the 20th century, was not mentioned in the documents of VII. That accord is still in effect. Some think this is the reason Russia was not mentioned by name in the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart by Saint Pope John Paul II in 1984. The Vatican release of the "Third Secret" in the year 2000 was completely controlled by the Secretary of State's office. He wrote the commentary giving the interpretation of the "Third Secret," not the Pope. He dictated the entire affair. Pope Benedict XVI, on his flight to Fatima in 2011, walked back what was written about the Third Secret by the Vatican in 2000. In 2000 in the commentary accompanying the Third Secret the Vatican insisted that everything was in the past and the attempt on Saint Pope John Paul II's life was the culmination and closure of the prophecies. That interpretation was the party line of the Secretary of State's office. Pope Benedict thoroughly broke from that party line by insisting that the Third Secret is still unfolding and pertains to both Saint Pope John Paul II as well as the future of the Church.
